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Crew Error Behind Emirates A380 Descending Too Low In Moscow
In September 2017, an Emirates A380 carrying 448 passengers and crew was descending through the nighttime darkness to land at Moscow’s Domodedovo Airport. Nothing unusual about that. What gave this flight a certain edge was that it was just 504ft above the ground and descending at 1,600 feet per minute. It was also over seven nautical miles out of Domodedovo. (simpleflying.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I have been away, QFE/QNH & punitive action are in play. Lose face, all of those items are in play, but how can they be corrected ?? Auto systems are wonderful, but you have to know & use. I was almost down checked 'cause I hand flew 747 approach to JFK "we paid for auto system,use it". I was told trying to get a job with far east type airlines after Pan Am went bye,bye.
QNE, QNH, QFE, yikes. Best just to fly in VMC conditions between the hours of sunrise and sunset using VFR rules and look out the window whilst flying the correct QDMs and QDRs. <g>
Best
J Buck
Pilot
ICAO PANS-OPS panelist (Ret.)
P.s. Please reference ICAO PANS-OPS Doc 8400 for all the pertinent Q-codes.
Best
J Buck
Pilot
ICAO PANS-OPS panelist (Ret.)
P.s. Please reference ICAO PANS-OPS Doc 8400 for all the pertinent Q-codes.
what i find interesting is an A380 with 448 passengers on board.
usually there is less than half that.
usually there is less than half that.
...and at no point one of the pilots looked outside and thought; hey we're way too low ??? wtf.
Here is a sad comparison. The EGPWS system has been incredibly successful and prevented this flight from becoming a disaster. EGPWS is time tested and reliable. This crew was able to respond to the warning and take corrective action. In the 737Max crashes, the EGPWS system was not integrated into the response systems and was given lower priority in the decision tree than a sole AOA device. Even the crew had no ability to reply to the EGPWS warnings which are considered high priority and indicative of imminent impact. All of those decades of EGPWS development and improvements were used to save this Emirates flight and a disoriented crew. It is a shame it was put on the back burner for the Max because it does save lives and ships from touching earth at the wrong location. Bravo to all EGPWS engineers over the last 30 years.
was controller at Sacramento... Flying Tiger DC-8-63 was up checking their new GPWS.. they'd do a touch and go, pull up, then dive toward the ground... funny thing was..at south end of RWY Interstate 5 North... every time the plane dived we could see smoke from all the trucks braking violently