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Delta Airlines plane skids off JFK runway
A Delta Airlines plane skidded off an icy runway and into the snow at JFK Airport on Sunday morning, authorities said, no injuries were reported. (www.nydailynews.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
BFD, if everyone here had 150,000lbs of aluminum stuck to their butts on an icy, low visibility taxiway or runway with two big jets producing just idle trust, it can be a real test of wits.
DAL seems to have issue w/keeping acft on surfaces that are other than bone-dry. Isnt this the third incident in a month of this kind?
This wasn't a Delta jet. It was a regional aircraft operated by Pilots trained by their own parent corporation. Their only connection to Delta is just that..they are a feeder to the Delta mainline. They have a Delta paint job BUT it says "connection" on it. Yes, there was a mainline 737 that went into the mud after trying to do a crossbleed start while taxiing on an icy spot on the taxiway. But this isn't a Delta Airlines aircraft, crew. That's the problem with marketing a product. The wrong people get all the heat.
It totally pisses me off when this CONNECTION and CONTRACT crap keeps coming up. No denying that it is true but being as DAL's name, or any other for that matter, is on the side, the liability is there and if the parent airline does not exercise their control to standards for those crews, it does not relieve them of responsibility for their actions. All the general public or a court of law will look at is DAL on the side. And just for general info, the 2 at MSN a couple weeks ago were BOTH 737's and those aren't contracted; they were home boys.
That was just a pet peeve so thanks for allowing me to vent. Had it not been raised before it wouldn't have mattered. In response to HARDWORKER7 up above here, how many flights per day does DAL launch/recover in/out of a crappy airport and minor mishaps with only 2, a few days apart. That really don't sound like anything major. It may be coincidental that they were both at MSN but other than that, no big deal.
Seems like there were 2 737's in less than a week apart at MSN a couple weeks back
All of these incidents seem to be more about airports getting behind in cleaning their taxiways.
I would've expected such incidents down south (eg. at Dallas) when getting unexpected and unusual snow and ice. It is more shocking to have so many incidents up north, especially at places like MSP, that live in snow most of winter.
I would've expected such incidents down south (eg. at Dallas) when getting unexpected and unusual snow and ice. It is more shocking to have so many incidents up north, especially at places like MSP, that live in snow most of winter.
Could be they have happened all along and they are just now being reported. It has just been a single airline though, and to boot, a very small % of those, in proportion to their number of daily flights, which would point away from the airport having a problem. A lot of the Southern Hubs take a close look at wx and don't get too far behind on their stuff.
Do keep in mind that these are in times of the Polar Vortex and even for the North it is colder and worse than they are used too.
That's got to be it. With the Polar Vortex, it has been much colder than usual. Even heard of reports that deicing solution that was freezing up.
Treated taxiways could've frozen up when the temp drops below the freezing point of whatever was used to treat the surface (in solution with water and ice).
I walked and drove on treated surfaces that were somewhat melted one hour and totally frozen over the next, when the temperature dropped.
Suspect the laws of physics help up on taxiways similarly.
Treated taxiways could've frozen up when the temp drops below the freezing point of whatever was used to treat the surface (in solution with water and ice).
I walked and drove on treated surfaces that were somewhat melted one hour and totally frozen over the next, when the temperature dropped.
Suspect the laws of physics help up on taxiways similarly.
In Iceland and other Scandinavian countries, they have, quite literally, heated streets. Hot water (maybe steam?) runs through pipes which heats the surface of the roadways to keep them from icing up.
I imagine that even at larger APs, there ain't all that many miles of rwy/twy that they can even phase-in the plumbing, and keep surfaces naturally clean, vs plowing and chemical-treatment. I'd imagine the one-time cost to install, and small ongoing maintenance/energy costs, vs ongoing costs for snow equipment, personnel, storage, tons of deicing chemicals, etc., might actually make financial sense.
Try it it KMSP, PANC, etc., first, as a pilot (haha) program, then see if it makes sense for other APs.
I imagine that even at larger APs, there ain't all that many miles of rwy/twy that they can even phase-in the plumbing, and keep surfaces naturally clean, vs plowing and chemical-treatment. I'd imagine the one-time cost to install, and small ongoing maintenance/energy costs, vs ongoing costs for snow equipment, personnel, storage, tons of deicing chemicals, etc., might actually make financial sense.
Try it it KMSP, PANC, etc., first, as a pilot (haha) program, then see if it makes sense for other APs.
Only makes sense during a scheduled reconstruction. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to interrupt the use of perfectly runways and taxiways. Nor to pay good money to rip up good expensive concrete to save a few bucks.
Even when reconstructing runways and taxiways, it only makes sense to install all this extra plumbing, if doing so doesn't greatly increase the cost of the reconstruction nor greatly increase the down time while reconstructing.
In most cases, they're struggling to try to get the work done as quickly as possible to try to minimize the adverse impact on operations.
Now if you're talking about building an entirely new airport from scratch (while operations continue at another older airport to be replaced) in a part of the world that gets long, icy winters, oh yeah. Your idea would make much sense.
Even when reconstructing runways and taxiways, it only makes sense to install all this extra plumbing, if doing so doesn't greatly increase the cost of the reconstruction nor greatly increase the down time while reconstructing.
In most cases, they're struggling to try to get the work done as quickly as possible to try to minimize the adverse impact on operations.
Now if you're talking about building an entirely new airport from scratch (while operations continue at another older airport to be replaced) in a part of the world that gets long, icy winters, oh yeah. Your idea would make much sense.