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Asiana pilots raise 777 auto-throttle malfunction issue in the San Francisco crash
Pilots of the Asiana Airlines Boeing 777-200ER jet that crashed while trying to land in San Francisco are offering an account that differs from the preliminary findings of U.S. investigators, people familiar with the investigation said. The pilots have told the National Transportation Safety Board that an in-flight malfunction of an automated speed-control system was a major factor in the fatal accident on July 6, these people said. (airguideonline.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I call BS and CYA. It wouldn't matter if the whole dang thing blew up and out of the panel, piloting 101 is to monitor ALTITUDE and AIRSPEED. They either had a massive brain fart or culture played a big part in all of it. Blind lead the blind and the all go in the ditch.
The only auto-throttle malfunction was the pushing of the wrong button, which could more accurately be called pilot malfunction.
All contractors who've ever worked with Korean pilots, say that they memorized all their manuals on the first day. I wouldn't be convinced that a professional pilot would not be familiar with the FD modes on their primary aircraft type. Flying a commercial passenger airliner on a revenue flight is not a hobby.
I tend to agree that either fatigue after a 10-hour flight or CRM were at issue. But I can't imagine that any pilot, no matter the cultural norms, would allow a plane to crash when it is clear that it is exiting its' flight envelope.
My best guess is the new guy (with 33 hours) mixed up his modes. (Years on the A320 will do that to you, even after years on the 747.) And the instructor/ monitoring pilot had a brain fart/ was extremely fatigued, and was slow to respond to a quickly deteriorating situation.
All contractors who've ever worked with Korean pilots, say that they memorized all their manuals on the first day. I wouldn't be convinced that a professional pilot would not be familiar with the FD modes on their primary aircraft type. Flying a commercial passenger airliner on a revenue flight is not a hobby.
I tend to agree that either fatigue after a 10-hour flight or CRM were at issue. But I can't imagine that any pilot, no matter the cultural norms, would allow a plane to crash when it is clear that it is exiting its' flight envelope.
My best guess is the new guy (with 33 hours) mixed up his modes. (Years on the A320 will do that to you, even after years on the 747.) And the instructor/ monitoring pilot had a brain fart/ was extremely fatigued, and was slow to respond to a quickly deteriorating situation.
Yes preacher, that is the bottom line. It has been very obvious from the start. The only thing I will add is; If they are trying to use a maintenance history of autothrottle problems in their defense, wouldn't that have called for even more vigilance in their use on the approach if you even decided to use them at all? Every captain should be familiar with the squawks on their aircraft and command accordingly.
I would think so. Like I said, BS and CYA. Blame game to save loss of face and status.
AMEN, preacher!
So, Failure to monitor "attitude" plays some parts too?
I have ran it into the ground, but when you are Senior in that culture, you are unquestioned. . The trainer, PNF, should have carried the 4 bars of authority in that cockpit but by virtue of being junior, status wise, did not exercise it. I cannot believe that 2 would have missed all that
I don't think youve run it into the ground. Many still don't understand what you're talking about. It was a retorical question meant to be a little sarcastic and a play on attitude.:-) I have been beating the same horse since the opening article about the "crunch".
I'm not sure it's a fixable problem since the culture goes back thousands of years. Respect for elders is seldom compatable with innovation since the elders don't, as a rule, keep up with new ideas and technology. I for one, survive on the trailing edge and not interested in keeping up.
I'm not sure it's a fixable problem since the culture goes back thousands of years. Respect for elders is seldom compatable with innovation since the elders don't, as a rule, keep up with new ideas and technology. I for one, survive on the trailing edge and not interested in keeping up.