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Phenom 300 Overshoots Runway

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A corporate jet arriving at the Flying Cloud Airport in Eden Prairie overshot the runway Monday morning, went through a fence and came to rest on a road, authorities said. There was no immediate word on why the twin-engine plane left the runway about 8:50 a.m. and ended up partly on Flying Cloud Drive to the southeast of the airport, said Melissa Scovronski, spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Airports Commission. (www.startribune.com) Más...

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kona10
kona10 3
I'm rated in the EMB-505, (Phenom 300), with over 300+ hours in the JUNK jet, and have flown 8 different types. The brakes are JUNK. If one does not keep steady pressure during rollout, they will grab and take you into the ditch. I think they are up to Mod -11 on the brake system, when they came out 2 years ago, it was Mod -8. Kudos to the FO pilots for not getting hurt!!
skuttlerats
Jeffrey Babey 2
Welcome to my state of Minnesota. To go all the way through to flying cloud drive is just unreal...we just had almost the same accident here at KFCM last year. But I believe that was a twin turbo prop.
ILSVector
Chris Lundberg 1
Nope, it was a MIG-21...
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/162220295.html
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 2
Does anyone know which runway it landed on and wx conditions?
cx831
cx831 1
KFCM 051453Z 21005KT 10SM FEW008 SCT014 BKN070 20/17 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP119 60015 T02000172 58009
KFCM 051353Z 18003KT 10SM FEW004 OVC065 18/17 A2990 RMK AO2 RAE19 SLP122 P0001 T01780167
KFCM 051338Z 15004KT 6SM BR FEW002 OVC070 18/17 A2989 RMK AO2 RAE19 P0001
KFCM 051300Z 00000KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR FEW004 OVC060 17/17 A2991 RMK AO2 VIS 1 3/4V5 P0001
KFCM 051253Z 20003KT 2SM -RA BR BKN006 OVC065 17/17 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP126 P0014 T01720167
KFCM 051237Z 23003KT 4SM -RA BR FEW006 SCT048 OVC065 17/16 A2991 RMK AO2 P0013
KFCM 051219Z 19005KT 2SM RA BR SCT006 BKN031 OVC065 17/16 A2991 RMK AO2 P0011
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 1
Great. Runway?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Flying Cloud Drive is on the East side, so 10L or 10R most likely?
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 0
Most likely 10L. Length of 10L is 3,900' and the Embraer Phenom 300 needs a minimum landing distance of 2,953' therefore it is my opinion that it landed long and unfortunately ran out of runway. Pilots should've been more aware and initiated a go-around.
Champdriver
jim gevay 1
At KFCM, 10L is 3900' x 75' and 10R is 5000' x 100'. Why would any pilot pass up a longer runway right in front of you, and land on the shorter one, especially when there's an ILS to the longer one? It doesn't make any sense that any professional pilot would choose to do that.
Less than 1000' of margin is not very much for a swept wing jet.

Since I wasn't there and I don't know the airplane, I won't make any guesses and speculate as to what they should have done, let the media do that.

THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
I'm not doubting what you said about the runway, BUT there are career pilots and there are professional pilots. BIG difference...

USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 1
Pilots make bad decisions everyday...
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Well said my friend. Let me add as follows.
Some(bad decisions) become visible and some do not, accidents separate one from another !
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
There's a difference from a culture that wants to determine what caused an accident, in order to learn from it and prevent future similar incidents, from a culture that prefers to cover up mistakes in order to save face.

Forget the everyone makes mistakes strawman argument. Should we get better with every incident, or not?

Don't get lost in the ethnic/racial considerations. Strip away all but the actions and systems behind the actions, and fix what needs fixing.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Some appear to misunderstand the term culture as applied to aviation.

"Culture" refers to the accepted standards and practices, and commonly held beliefs within the aviation community generally, or within a carrier specifically.

This culture can vary by nation (as a by-product of the regulator oversight or lack thereof) or can vary even more markedly by carrier (there was a big difference from ValuJet and PamAm) within a country or from different countries.

Culture need not refer to the ethnicity of the aviatiors, but the beliefs they have developed over time in regards to flying.
flyingj481
flyingj481 1
Based on the two road signs in the image, and their placement based on Google Earth, I'd say it was 10R.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Many members are of the view that certain class/s of persons make bad aviators.
OK , many people as a class are bad, incorrigible. Granted.
So why permit them to enter the US airspace ? There are plenty of laws to protect the Americans from this unwanted and avoidable onslaught and trespass.
Go and slug it out with FAA and Federal Department of Civil Aviation in DC !
Break their heads instead. Why curse a specific society/nation/region ? Even if they are wrong or bad. Prohibit and ban their entry into US airspace and on their land. What or who prevents the laws of the land(USA) to act ?
Curse the authorities that allow them.
rwb2112
rwb2112 1
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/OPT327/history/20130805/1104ZZ/KPIT/KFCM
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal -3
For a corporate Jet it is unheard off ! Will need to hear more on the causes of it.
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Er.A.K. you may have missed a couple of stories, like the G something at TEB or the Hawker 800 in MN. or you might go here.

http://www.breilinginc.com/turbineaccidentreview.html
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Try multiple somethings at TEB that tested out the new EMAS, and the 24 end without EMASS.
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Tryin to be tactful Thrustt, guess it's not my strong suit. Probably got 100 or so trips in and out of good old TEB. It ain't your good old southern boy laid back airport! And if they didn't make G somethings, there wouldn't be anybody there.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I'm surprised more people don't go off the end of 6. You could tell they try to grease it on 3000 ft down the runway touching down...
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
The proven way to pull off greasers on a relatively short runway is to be at ref. over the fence. Some guys won't go that slow, and still shoot for a roll on. I'd think the shaking from the T.R.s in max reverse and the -3 G's on the brakes would tell the boss just as much about the landing as the greaser half way down the runway. And that would be the same runway 6 from which the Challenger tried to bury itself in the building across the street I think. That prompted the EMASS on the north end and the woods and the swamp on the south end accomplish the same purpose.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
I am open to learning. I have a great fascination for private aircrafts. Private/corporate aircrafts are expected to hire crew that is the best in the trade. Not shackled by many guidelines of unions etc. So where do they go wrong in selection procedure? Compensation package? Or what else?

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