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Airbus expects years of grappling with A380 cracks
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I don't think I would feel very safe on a 380.After being in Aviation for 20 years and seeing the inspections carried out on all aircraft I know that I do trust their inspection procedures but when I hear of wing cracks in a relatively new aircraft or delamination it don't really matter who makes the plane to me.My concern is that if this is showing up after all the testing they went through how fast could it get to the Failure part.I don't know but bring back the old 727. Just a thought with a little humor.
I agree. Cracks on a brand new aircraft with just a few hours is creepy. If a new A380 with over 500 passengers crashes because of cracks in the wing roots, the public outcry and publicity would probably ground the A380 for good.
Boeing has had some structual failure on older aircraft, but has never had this problem on brand new aircraft with low hours.
Boeing has had some structual failure on older aircraft, but has never had this problem on brand new aircraft with low hours.
Cracks in the wing roots?? Are you new? It was cracks in the rib feet, "l" shaped brackets that hold the skin of the wing to the wing ribs. Get your facts straight. 787 delamination would qualify as a problem with a Boeing aircraft with low hours. Again, get your facts straight before you spout off.
I apologize Alistair. But, speaking as a layman, hearing mention of "cracks" and "wing" in the same sentence surely doesn't motivate me to climb into that aircraft.
It should be made more clear to the general public when these failures are as insignificant as you say.
It should be made more clear to the general public when these failures are as insignificant as you say.
I don't think that the media has helped much in this case. Though, it just irks me when people say the words, "cracks in wings". This is not the case. It also bothers me when people speculate that wings may fall off. No wings will fall off and all the proper inspections and repairs are taking place. I have just posted a link that explains the difference between the Type 1 and the Type 2 cracks. Yes, i agree that when you hear the words "cracks" and "wing" in the same breath, it is a bit unnerving.
From all the comments here, you'd think no Boeing had ever cracked anywhere. I hope you people looking at Boeings through your rose-coloured glasses and seeing perfection aren't inspectors because you're missing the fact that all aircraft have cracks, and mising the fact that if this was an airworthiness issue, the FAA would have grounded them -- or are you going to claim the FAA is just an Airbus lackey?
If you prefer Boeing to Airbus, fine, but some of you people sound utterly ridiculous. And for the record, I prefer Boeing, too, but let's get real, their aircraft have problems, too. The 787 wasn't late because someone couldn't make up their mind what colour to paint it. Ever hear of Section 41? The roof peeled off a 737, not an A320. What about the 747 cargo door latches that had a designed-in fault from the beginning? That killed people, the A380 cracks haven't.
If you won't go somewhere because you can't get there on a Boeing, then don't go. I'm sure the airlines and related businesses will sob uncontrollably as a result of you staying home.
And if you know more about safety than the FAA's airworthiness certification people, then why are you sitting on your butt reading this? Go get a job there, they obviously need your expertise. Maybe they'll let you bring your armchair, too.
If you prefer Boeing to Airbus, fine, but some of you people sound utterly ridiculous. And for the record, I prefer Boeing, too, but let's get real, their aircraft have problems, too. The 787 wasn't late because someone couldn't make up their mind what colour to paint it. Ever hear of Section 41? The roof peeled off a 737, not an A320. What about the 747 cargo door latches that had a designed-in fault from the beginning? That killed people, the A380 cracks haven't.
If you won't go somewhere because you can't get there on a Boeing, then don't go. I'm sure the airlines and related businesses will sob uncontrollably as a result of you staying home.
And if you know more about safety than the FAA's airworthiness certification people, then why are you sitting on your butt reading this? Go get a job there, they obviously need your expertise. Maybe they'll let you bring your armchair, too.
"If you won't go somewhere because you can't get there on a Boeing, then don't go. I'm sure the airlines and related businesses will sob uncontrollably as a result of you staying home."
I like this bit mate. One member on here once said that he would never go anywhere that Air France flew - it was based on an article about Airbus/Air France. Therefore, i listed all the places that Air France flies to for him - which is pretty much anywhere in the world. I never got a response back.
I like this bit mate. One member on here once said that he would never go anywhere that Air France flew - it was based on an article about Airbus/Air France. Therefore, i listed all the places that Air France flies to for him - which is pretty much anywhere in the world. I never got a response back.
Airbus is a relatively new company not much more than 30 years old I believe. In that time they have had more problems than all of Boeing since the advent of the 707 in the mid 1950's in comparison to production units. I'm not saying planes are bad planes. The A320 or 319 series competes very well with the 737. I would like it better if it was not a fly by wire system.
Airbus saw a need and pushed to fill it. That was to provide a plane for emerging third world countries with pilots who did not have much experience. The fly by wire system was to make up for lack of experience. That system grew into a cockpit management system for more sophisticated airlines with longer routes and better pilots and that's when things went south for Airbus.
AF Flt 447 lost in the Atlantic may be the result of Airbus growing to fast; we will never know for sure.. Certainly Air France has a long history of safety in the air and their pilots are some of the best trained in the Industry.
All airplanes develop cracks it is part of the pressurization cycles they go through, even Airbus. Fact is the Southwest jet is not the first Boeing to pop its skin in flight. But in each and every case, which have been three, the planes have landed safely. Thanks in part to the skill of the pilots, stick and rudder control and how tough Boeing builds its planes.
It was a the DC10 that had cargo door problems with the latches causing on fatal crash and one explosive decompression and harrowing landing by a very skilled pilot.. What you are referring too is one incident over the pacific where it was later found that the baggage handler did not properly close the cargo door. While unfortunately several people lost their lives and their was a major skin delamination. The pilots were able to keep the plane in the air, for over 2 hours and land safely back at HNL. Stick and rudder control by the pilot not a computer program is what saves a plane in an emergency.
While the 777 is built by Boeing it is a fly by wire system. Given my choice of aircraft I will choose the 767, 747 & now the 787 ahead of the 777. I want the pilot in control in an emergency not the computer.
Yes the auto-pilot is a computer and 95% of the flying done today is by the auto-pilot. Still when things go haywire and Murry is busy pushing his laws about. You can disconnect the auto-pilot and hand fly a plane that has stick and rudder control from cockpit input. That's the safety I look for when I fly.
Airbus saw a need and pushed to fill it. That was to provide a plane for emerging third world countries with pilots who did not have much experience. The fly by wire system was to make up for lack of experience. That system grew into a cockpit management system for more sophisticated airlines with longer routes and better pilots and that's when things went south for Airbus.
AF Flt 447 lost in the Atlantic may be the result of Airbus growing to fast; we will never know for sure.. Certainly Air France has a long history of safety in the air and their pilots are some of the best trained in the Industry.
All airplanes develop cracks it is part of the pressurization cycles they go through, even Airbus. Fact is the Southwest jet is not the first Boeing to pop its skin in flight. But in each and every case, which have been three, the planes have landed safely. Thanks in part to the skill of the pilots, stick and rudder control and how tough Boeing builds its planes.
It was a the DC10 that had cargo door problems with the latches causing on fatal crash and one explosive decompression and harrowing landing by a very skilled pilot.. What you are referring too is one incident over the pacific where it was later found that the baggage handler did not properly close the cargo door. While unfortunately several people lost their lives and their was a major skin delamination. The pilots were able to keep the plane in the air, for over 2 hours and land safely back at HNL. Stick and rudder control by the pilot not a computer program is what saves a plane in an emergency.
While the 777 is built by Boeing it is a fly by wire system. Given my choice of aircraft I will choose the 767, 747 & now the 787 ahead of the 777. I want the pilot in control in an emergency not the computer.
Yes the auto-pilot is a computer and 95% of the flying done today is by the auto-pilot. Still when things go haywire and Murry is busy pushing his laws about. You can disconnect the auto-pilot and hand fly a plane that has stick and rudder control from cockpit input. That's the safety I look for when I fly.