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Boeing downgraded by Barclays on survey showing flyers will avoid 737 Max
Survey of airline passengers says many people will avoid the 737 Max “for an extended period” once the aircraft is flying again. (www.cnbc.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
The ill fated DC-10 , was a real case to study . But that was back when . This mess with the Max-8 and Max-9 is a situation that should not have happened . We have such a belief that tech can solve everything . But it was a tech system MCAS , that didn't work , to correct for a physical balance problem , that should not exists . And with all our Flight crews relying on automation to save the day , when the s... hits the fan , the crews can't fly the aircraft . Of course , this is just my humble opinion , but i wouldn't get on a Max for a long while to see if any other people are used as test samples .
The idea that the airplane can make uncommanded control movements without essentially providing any feedback - and that Boeing did not care to properly document this feature (slash bug) is what should be unsettling to most. This is beyond automation - more like autonomy.
Par for the course though; Boeing is most certainly "too big to fail." They'll get a blank check from Washington to continue screwing up at will and the US taxpayer will be more than happy to foot the bill.
Par for the course though; Boeing is most certainly "too big to fail." They'll get a blank check from Washington to continue screwing up at will and the US taxpayer will be more than happy to foot the bill.
Another example of public opinion affecting an aircraft type is the Lockheed Electra. Pilots loved this aircraft, but shortly after its introduction in 1958, there were two horrific crashes. In the first crash in 1959, the initial investigation was hampered by the disintegrated state of the wreckage, but it was clear that the left wing had detached in otherwise nominal conditions at cruising altitude. Then on March 17, 1960, a second Electra lost BOTH wings at 18,000 feet, sending the fuselage into the ground like a missile, impacting at 600 plus mph. Unlike most aircraft accidents, there were no bodies and little debris on the ground, just a crater 40 by 30 feet. The crater made by the fuselage was so gruesome that local health, religious, and coroner officials tried to bar its excavation. It took 5 days to dig up the fuselage, compressed to a solid smoking mass 1/3 its length. Out of 63 souls on board, only the remains of 7 could be identified. And of course the press was reporting every sickening detail for days. The Electras were grounded, and the investigation finally identified the root cause: high-amplitude harmonic wing flutter caused by insufficient vibration dampening by the outboard engines motor mounts. The harmonic vibrations, under certain circumstances encountered in normal cruising flight, literally shook the wings off the aircraft. Every Electra was retrofitted with the motor mount fix, and the Electras returned to service. But the damage to public opinion could not be repaired. Production ended a year later. The Electras flew passengers on smaller regional airlines well into the 80s, and several Electra tankers are still fighting forest fires to this day. The Electra's design was the basis for the workhorse P-3 Orion, which saw naval duty for more than 50 years. Probably lots of P3 veteran pilots out there with Orion love stories. But the flying public could not get over the images of that smoking crater.
I was wrong about "grounding". The Electra was put under operational restrictions, including a speed restriction. It was not grounded.
Came back as the Electra II. If you can find it, "The Electra Story", by Rod Serling's brother, Robert. A great read.
Thanks, Ed. "The Electra Story" was one of my sources. I still have my old paperback. Just saw it is available as a Kindle book on Amazon.
Warren, do you have the paperback "Loud and Clear" by him which incorporates "The Electra Story" in it. I'm lucky to have that and the hardcover of the latter.
People will forget about the Max crashes in time and it will go on to be a big seller.
People will forget about the Max crashes in time and it will go on to be a big seller.
I have a 1991 Bantam Air & Space Series reprint of the (c)1963 "The Electra Story".
I think you're right about the Max recovering, assuming that the multiple root causes of the two accidents are all fixed. Chapter 4 of "The Electra Story" is titled "If Another One Goes Down ...". It is an apt comment for the current situation, as Jamar Jackson noted below.
I think you're right about the Max recovering, assuming that the multiple root causes of the two accidents are all fixed. Chapter 4 of "The Electra Story" is titled "If Another One Goes Down ...". It is an apt comment for the current situation, as Jamar Jackson noted below.