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Aerosucre Boeing 727 crashes in Colombia
An Aerosucre Colombia Boeing 727-200, registration HK-4544 performing a freight flight from Puerto Carreno to Bogota (Colombia) with 6 crew, did not become airborne while taking off from Puerto Carrena's runway 25 at 17:20L (23:20Z), broke through the airport perimeter fences, became airborne, lost height again about 3 minutes later, impacted ground (avherald.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I can't really say that they are automatic, but they are a product setting based on the Flaps. There is not a Slat setting from the cockpit, but controlled from the flap handle.
This reminds me of the PSA flight that crashed in San Diego years ago. The B727 lost an inboard flap after a collision with a Cessna 172 and became uncontrollable.
I remember the PSA flight accident.I was flying Cessnas all the time.I switched to a Beech Sundowner after that.
It didn't last long when we got the Cessna Aerobat though.
It didn't last long when we got the Cessna Aerobat though.
How exactly does an overloaded airplane crashin in a field, off the departure end of the runway, after takin out a fence, remind you of a mid-air collision. Oh, the inboard flap. Might be room for a Titanic or Indianapolis in the food chain of when things just don't work out. But in the case you cite, The pilots in the 727 were doin everything right. It led to TCAS. The guys we are talkin about on this thread, not so much.
I am curious where you obtained the info that this craft was overloaded?
They were overloaded for that runway, in those conditions. I won't question your credentials, but, the result is fairly self explanatory.
Well now lets see here.Maybe i can give a little insight to the subject.After 25 years of working in that community i can only say this.There were a hundred things that could have went wrong in a split second.
I having years upon years of experience with the 3 holer.It is a work horse handsdown.In all those years did i ever see one aircraft crew that didn't run the numbers and obide by them.Then in the same breath i'll say that even the crews that perform in that cockpit almost entirely with there eyes shut would use a checklist. - always.
We have a 6900' runway and a 5900' runway also..
I have flown jumpseat trouble shooter quite a bit and i'll tell you this and everyone needs to think a minute.There are 3 men up front flying this airplane PROFESSIONALS and if they are like others freight lines they have 2 loadmasters ( 1 being a mechanic ) in bacanThese people don't want to die so keep that in mind.
I can't speak for their certifications from their ccountrand how strict they are.
I guess what i'm saying is this , if this shows pilot error then it really bad because it would have been made bu all 3 and that would be a very sad thing.I know here in the USA crews have self induced pressure on them especially during the holidays.
I will be interested to see what the cause was in this case and may God Bless the familys left behind and the crew RIP.
One other item here that does not pertain to this airline but to the other crews in the same country and the USA also.I personally for quite a few years had to " sign off " on the loads once we were done showing the load was secured in 2+ ways to prevent any movement in the aircraft.There were sometimes that an aircraft would show up in such questionable condition that we would have our lead mechanic do an inspection on it before we would load it and believe me we turned a few away.We would discount their fuel and let them park until they aguired another load.
I'll wait to see what the CVR says.
I having years upon years of experience with the 3 holer.It is a work horse handsdown.In all those years did i ever see one aircraft crew that didn't run the numbers and obide by them.Then in the same breath i'll say that even the crews that perform in that cockpit almost entirely with there eyes shut would use a checklist. - always.
We have a 6900' runway and a 5900' runway also..
I have flown jumpseat trouble shooter quite a bit and i'll tell you this and everyone needs to think a minute.There are 3 men up front flying this airplane PROFESSIONALS and if they are like others freight lines they have 2 loadmasters ( 1 being a mechanic ) in bacanThese people don't want to die so keep that in mind.
I can't speak for their certifications from their ccountrand how strict they are.
I guess what i'm saying is this , if this shows pilot error then it really bad because it would have been made bu all 3 and that would be a very sad thing.I know here in the USA crews have self induced pressure on them especially during the holidays.
I will be interested to see what the cause was in this case and may God Bless the familys left behind and the crew RIP.
One other item here that does not pertain to this airline but to the other crews in the same country and the USA also.I personally for quite a few years had to " sign off " on the loads once we were done showing the load was secured in 2+ ways to prevent any movement in the aircraft.There were sometimes that an aircraft would show up in such questionable condition that we would have our lead mechanic do an inspection on it before we would load it and believe me we turned a few away.We would discount their fuel and let them park until they aguired another load.
I'll wait to see what the CVR says.
Thanks for your insight R123154..it is funny how I asked a very credible question, since the investigation is still ongoing, and I get down-voted...I will say this thou...the temperature in October, when this exact same craft, HK-4544, took off from exact same airport, was actually 1.98 degrees C warmer.
Without the raw information, that is an impossible answer to give. Just because the Leading Edge Devices are down does not mean the Flaps were properly configured, nor do we know how much power the engines were really producing, or what the flight crew was really trying to do. The investigators will be the ones that will have to do that.
They have retired the 27 and so has my mechanic friend.His imput for this was to keep the stall speed where they needed it.
I'm quite positive and confident about my information and if it's true then they had not set the flaps.If this is wrong ( which i doubt ) please let me know.It's hard for me to believe the missed setting the flaps.No checklist used ??????