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Why Are Electric Taxiing Systems Not Used Today?

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Electric green taxiing systems (EGTS) have emerged as a beacon of hope for reducing fuel consumption and emissions in the aviation industry. The idea is simple, use electric motors in the wheels to taxi airplanes instead of relying on the fuel guzzling main engines. (aeroxplorer.com) Más...

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ewrcap
David Beattie 4
Keep in mind that most jet engines need at least two minutes of warm up time before takeoff. This means starting engines while an electric motor is trying to power the airplane. For airports that generally have short taxi times, I’m not sure the savings would be worth it. On the other hand, back in the 90s, my airline spent $6million per aircraft to install winglets. The word was they paid for themselves in a year.
n7777r
Derek Vaughn 3
Added weight and waste of time.
fdb912
Frank Barrett 3
Why not just have the tug drag the aircraft closer to the runway?
masmith57j
Matt Smith 2
2 points:
Useless article. Other than dates (and this is much older than 2024 as other below point out) and aircraft numbers, there isn't a single number with engineering units to justify - or otherwise - the application of EGTS..

One more thing to maintain, break, and repair. During my tenure at Rocketdyne in the early 90s, we received data from Boeing on the reliability of aircraft systems. The systems generating the most problems - at the time (90's) - were lighting and ELECTRICAL. Giving the 2nd most unreliable system more stuff to break doesn't sound like a money saver.

I remember the day in the 80's when (La Guardia, Eastern Airlines shuttle service) they filled the DC9, started the engines, engaged the thrust reversers and backed away from the gate. (The pilot literally forgot to disengage them before attempting to taxi forward on the plane I was on. - oops!) I imagine not workable today with high bypass engines - too windy by the building...
dmboss1021
Dan Boss 2
As others have said, all turbine engines require at least 2 minutes of warm up time at idle before you can apply takeoff thrust, so for most taxi situations this green nonsense would be irrelevant. Second they add 1,000 lbs to the aircraft empty weight. A typical taxi burns only a few hundred lbs of fuel... so the savings are in fact negative and there is no return on investment.
Justthefacs
Justthefacs 3
More ridiculous by the minute. Don Quixote is alive and well.
linbb
linbb 4
Oh that should not be a problem to do, NOT, its a very complex thing to do. One item is the increase in fixed weight needed for batteries and equipment. How would the motors be fitted into a wheel assembly. Looks good on paper but to make it work is another. A better way would be an electric powered and driven tug to do the job.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 9
It wouldn't take a huge electric motor to do this though. Electric motors have lots of torque, and that could be multiplied further using planetary reduction gears given that taxiing doesn't require high speeds. Power would come from the APU, so you wouldn't need more batteries.

Magna has an electric motor that weighs 75KG and puts out 335HP. That's more than what would be needed to move a narrow-body airliner. The added weight is a drop in the bucket on existing landing gears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaDfCMDG7Rg
rmust3
Thomas Musticchi -5
Good Lord. The tree huggers strike again.
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
This is an old story, recycled by the Aeroxplorer kids to generate clicks. A couple of airlines investigated it and decided the return wasn’t worth the investment and additional maintenance.
redcataviation
Sidney Smith 2
Ever notice when somebody refers to you as "mate" they might as well say, "Hey A-hole," but they never have the stones. Further landing gear on transport aircraft take a beating. Electric rotating things don't like vibration from flat spotted tires and washboard runways.
FrancoGrobler
Franco Grobler 0
Mate, not an old story, also the other comments are productive in the convo, all you do is comment stuff like this. I did proper research on this, and actually composed an article worth reading.

Also yes that's how sites work, how do you want us to work, on charity? All articles I write personally will contribute to the internet in a good way.
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
Courtesy of Wikipedia. Several stories about this were posted in this site by several users.

Safran began to design its electric taxiing system in the early 2010s as a retrofit, weighing 450 kg (1,000 lb). In 2013, a Safran/Honeywell joint venture demonstrated An Airbus A320 taxiing with engine covers at the Paris Air Show, but Honeywell left by 2016. In 2017, Airbus authorized marketing the system on the A320, but left the program in 2019.[1] By 2022, Safran was designing an integrated, lighter system as original equipment for new programs.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -3
#1. Never trust Wikipedia. The modes are all leftists.

#2. Wouldn't the additional weight however small affect the fuel consumption for the entire flight negating any advantage gained for the relatively brief taxiing period?

I assume this was looked at by the interested parties but so many businesses have succumbed to the climate crazies that "green" has become in many cases a marketing tool to assuage the badly placed guilt of many ecotards who still want to fly but need the relgious-style indulgences to assuage their climate sins. :)
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 3
I just used Wikipedia as quick reference, rather than cute a bunch of different articles. The Wikipedia article matched what i recalled about it. I think El Al tried it and the ROI was just sufficient enough to continue using it
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 3
I really need to improve my proofreading. I believe it was El Al that tried the electric taxi system and the ROI was not sufficient to justify using the system.
masmith57j
Matt Smith 1
Um. how do regular tugs work? Hybridize or Full Electric them??? then there's no mass added to the aircraft AT ALL... just recharge them every night (or top off while at gate) if full EV.

I'll speculate tugs these days are rather large diesels. The one we used at EAFB on the ABL program to shove YAL-001 around (B747-400 but it had no APU - it had to come out) was both a TUG and the ground power source so there's already some Electrification being done.
johntaylor571
John Taylor 1
Just another system that can fail and require more maintenance. The more junk you put on a machine, the more things that can break. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.
dda951
Dave Anderson 0
Not a new idea, but as systems become more efficient and lighter, it may become useful in certain situations. Consideration of turn radius, additional fuel burned, initial cost, and maintenance can be estimated, resulting in an estimated payback (or not). The system needs to be powerful enough to move an airplane at max weight up a maximum-design taxiway slope (even wind might affect it slightly), and include systems that allow it to be controlled by the pilot.
Daddude
Why aren't regular tugs just tugging aircraft to distant thresholds for start up? Airports with typically long taxi times (8-10 minutes at IAH, for instance)would benefit.

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