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Nine reasons Lion Air 737 Max crashed Final report
On Friday, air crash investigators in Indonesia released their final report, detailing the list of events that caused the Lion Air jet to plunge into the Java Sea. "From what we know, there are nine things that contributed to this accident," Indonesian air accident investigator Nurcahyo Utomo told reporters at a news conference. "If one of the nine hadn't occurred, maybe the accident wouldn't have occurred." (www.bbc.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
It was a sad loss of life, surely. But a quick scan tells me that the pilots were poorly trained and ill-equipped to deal with the emergency. Sorry to be so stark. Some pilots in (NOT the USA or Europe) are too complacent, and rely too much on automation. There is an adage, and I am paraphrasing: "Fly the effing airplane". Any good pilot knows this. Here's another tragic example: Air France 447. THAT airplane was perfectly fine, but icing caused conflicting indications to the Flight Crew. Basic FLY THE AIRPLANE using the Standby instruments would have resulted in a safe recovery. I shake my head....
I did a more thorough read, though not every page. Like many crashes there were many contributors to the disaster, including the pilots. The captain (PF) did a very poor job, and the first officer (PM) was plainly incompetent and unqualified. But Boeing's MCAS system was a disaster waiting to happen, and it deserves calling out for its incredibly dangerous and undocumented design.
Actually, you are semi-correct in your statement that they relied too much on automation. The FAA, Human Factor Division, is looking into that very bullet point. There is now documented proof that today's flight crews rely too much on automation vs. the aging and retiring pilots who learned to fly the bird, the FAA is using 80% flying and 20% on automation.
The pilot's of today are trained with 80% automation v. 20% flying ability. The figures used in my post come from the FAA recent news release. They are exploring various ways to enforce more training among flight crews.
The pilot's of today are trained with 80% automation v. 20% flying ability. The figures used in my post come from the FAA recent news release. They are exploring various ways to enforce more training among flight crews.
Thank you for that response...I am a pilot. I know how to use automation. BUT? I know how to actually FLY an airplane....
Stick and rudder. There’s no replacing those skills.
Surely you were correct to state the lack of sufficient training with regards to the flight commander and the first officer. But as a pilot I would expect you to hold Boeing more responsible on the rush to put this bird into flight knowing fully well that the MCAS was an add on to hide the unusual potential for disaster due to the more powerful engines mounted higher thereby altering the airworthiness of the Max8. Also as a pilot you must also question the explicit ignoring of the MCAS in the Emergency manual. The fact that the pilot were ill trained IMO doesn't count: I would question any pilot flying this plane in the same flying conditions and recovering.
"MCAS was an add on to hide the unusual potential for disaster due to the more powerful engines mounted higher"
False. https://youtu.be/KB4lCbT5oX8?t=620
"thereby altering the airworthiness of the Max8"
That's like saying it was dark so I altered the light switch. It is or isn't (it is, see link above).
"the explicit ignoring of the MCAS in the Emergency manual"
False. Boeing 737-7/8 System Differences Training Manual, Jan 2017, Page 748
"The fact that the pilot were ill trained IMO doesn't count"
You're entitled to your opinion, but the the flying public is glad it doesn't count.
False. https://youtu.be/KB4lCbT5oX8?t=620
"thereby altering the airworthiness of the Max8"
That's like saying it was dark so I altered the light switch. It is or isn't (it is, see link above).
"the explicit ignoring of the MCAS in the Emergency manual"
False. Boeing 737-7/8 System Differences Training Manual, Jan 2017, Page 748
"The fact that the pilot were ill trained IMO doesn't count"
You're entitled to your opinion, but the the flying public is glad it doesn't count.
Keep defending Boeing, but in the congressional testimony, it was pointed out that AIRLINES< not Boeing, pushed for more documentation, and demanded to know what else they didn't know about the plane.
Boeing took a 'shortcut', and it cost the planet almost 400 lives. Boeing screwed up. If MCAS wasn't there, and they hadn't rushed that plane into service, the accidents would not have happened.
Boeing took a 'shortcut', and it cost the planet almost 400 lives. Boeing screwed up. If MCAS wasn't there, and they hadn't rushed that plane into service, the accidents would not have happened.
I'm not defending anybody Was there something I said that you disagree with?