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Delta flight lands in Vegas with pilot locked out of cockpit
LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Officials say a Delta Air Lines flight from Minneapolis made an emergency landing in Las Vegas on Thursday with the co-pilot at the controls after the pilot was locked out of the cockpit. McCarran International Airport spokeswoman Christine Crews says none of the 168 people aboard Delta flight 1651 was injured, and the MD-90 aircraft wasn't damaged. (finance.yahoo.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Hey you start ripping off nasty gas, go to the lav, I might not let you back in regardless. The Mad Dog/Diesel 9 doesn't have the biggest flight deck...Sorry Cap.
I have been given to understand that every aircraft has duplicated controls shared by pilot (PIC) and copilot (First Officer)
I also understand that there ' some ' controls which are exclusive to the pilot, PIC. Like steering and brakes and some more.
I have always wondered why they too can not be duplicated on the copilot's side ?
It will help in more ways than one ! Especially in emergencies which are of many varieties in context of flying .
I assure that engineeringwise there can or will be no problem. Cost increase? Marginal which any buyer can afford. On cost-benefit rationale .
Please educate . I need it .
I also understand that there ' some ' controls which are exclusive to the pilot, PIC. Like steering and brakes and some more.
I have always wondered why they too can not be duplicated on the copilot's side ?
It will help in more ways than one ! Especially in emergencies which are of many varieties in context of flying .
I assure that engineeringwise there can or will be no problem. Cost increase? Marginal which any buyer can afford. On cost-benefit rationale .
Please educate . I need it .
Primary is the steering tiller. In most aircraft there is only one and it is located on the Captain's side. It is a right side option that is hardly ever exercised because of cost. Brakes and all the other stuff are pretty much the same. Even on FO's leg, Captain generally drives to and from the gate.
google Wikipedia says
" Most large, transport category airplanes use a device known as a tiller to steer the airplane while taxiing. This usually takes the form of a small steering wheel or lever in the cockpit, often one for the pilot and one for the co-pilot."
Now , so why aren't there 'two' tillers ? Just in case !
Cost can't be that prohibitive ? Once even black boxes were considered "costly" . No ?
" Most large, transport category airplanes use a device known as a tiller to steer the airplane while taxiing. This usually takes the form of a small steering wheel or lever in the cockpit, often one for the pilot and one for the co-pilot."
Now , so why aren't there 'two' tillers ? Just in case !
Cost can't be that prohibitive ? Once even black boxes were considered "costly" . No ?
They use the tiller to have more control over the moving plane while taxing... Rudder pedals only have 7 degrees of control, in each direction you can imagine what this would do in the close proximity of a gate area.. The tiller allows 70 degrees of control in each direction (140 degrees total) so that tight turns are possible at lower taxi speeds. Traditionally most airline class airlines have only 1 tiller, but some have 2 for example the Fokker F28-1000 had it as an option for the co pilot.
The way I understand the news item, apparently the 'copilot' sat in the port seat to land and taxi . Right ? After all in emergency , taxiing and landing both are necessary. Correct ? So my query continues to be what if the PIC is in port seat and gets incapacitated and can not be removed, how will the 'co-pilot' land AND taxi the a/c without the tiller control on the star board side ? Or do you mean, he may land and brake/stop the a/c on the main runway and the emergency ground staff will take over there from ? Q.E.F. ?
If he taxied to the gate, he had to... Landing would have made no difference. If they could not had gotten the captain out of the seat they would have just stopped on the runway and had emergency crews to meet them.
I never read about him swapping seats. Probably rudder and brakes on landing. Somewhere in this string is a comment from a LAS employee that he took a tow from the stop point to the gate. He could have swapped seats after the stop and drove in on into the gate. No big deal either way. Your query about PIC being incapacitated and not be able to be removed is bad far out and way down on the list of what ifs.
PIC incapacitated in the port side seat - fact vs. fiction ! May be the FO can land from star board seat and in the mean time some other crew members can remove the PIC from port side seat and so on. The a/c can be brought to the gate.
And in the extreme case FO will be justified to land and stop on the main runway .
I hope .
And in the extreme case FO will be justified to land and stop on the main runway .
I hope .
Rudder and Brakes are on both sides, that would not had made a difference... There have been incidences of captains being in incapacitated and the the FO landed from the right seat