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Jet Blue rejects takeoff at JFK due to runway incursion
JetBlue flight 1295 was forced to stop short on the runway Saturday night around 9 o'clock just before taking off. JetBlue says a Caribbean Airways flight crossed in front of the aircraft, forcing the plane's pilots to hit the brakes. The flight was able to take off about three hours later and landed in Texas. (7online.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Caribbean Airlines pilots messed up big time here. So did the tower controller. So here's what happened. Two runways were being used at JFK that night, 22R the longer runway was used for takeoffs and 22L the shorter for landings. CAL landed on 22L while JBU was taking off 22R. For CAL to get to the ramp they had to cross 22R. Now the procedure CAL was supposed to follow was after slowing down on 22L they were to exit the runway by making a right turn onto the taxiway AND STOP BEFORE crossing 22R until the tower gave them clearance to cross 22R after the last aircraft takes off and the runway is clear. They did NOT stop before crossing and proceeded to cross the active runway 22R while JBU was speeding down the runway to take off on 22R. What seemed to have happened was after landing CAL changed their radio from the tower frequency to the ground frequency withouth any permission or instruction to do so. What is worse is when the ground controller asked them if they received a clearance to cross runway 22R they lied and said YES!!! Blame must also be placed on the tower controller because he did not instruct CAL to exit the runway and stop before crossing runway 22R as he should have. However this does not take blame away from CAL for changing frequency with no permission and crossing an active runway without a clearance. CAL pilots need to be disciplined/fired and the tower controller needs to be reprimanded.
My thoughts exactly (see my synopsis above). I think there is a little blame to go around.
Caribbean should accept responsibility for not being cleared to switch frequencies. I don't know for a fact, but the ATIS I'm sure would have alerted them to BOTH 22L & 22R operations.
JFK should accept responsibility for failing to give specific taxiway instructions, and subsequently, the hold short of 22R instruction. Good thing he got his Ground Control buddy to ask him on frequency if he received clearance to cross, which caught Caribbean in a lie.
Caribbean should accept responsibility for not being cleared to switch frequencies. I don't know for a fact, but the ATIS I'm sure would have alerted them to BOTH 22L & 22R operations.
JFK should accept responsibility for failing to give specific taxiway instructions, and subsequently, the hold short of 22R instruction. Good thing he got his Ground Control buddy to ask him on frequency if he received clearance to cross, which caught Caribbean in a lie.
You might want to change the title. It's a runway incursion as in somebody entered the runway. If it was an excursion then the Jet Blue flight would have gone off the runway.
Doh! I did post 'ex' when I should have put 'in'. Shows the benefit of 'read back' and the 'second set of eyes" principle. Now I just need to pick up squawk editing skills. Thanx
I just got done listening to the ATC feed (both Tower and Ground) on LiveATC.net. This is what I found:
1. JFK Tower cleared BWA526 with no mention of further taxiway instructions.
2. JFK Tower cleared JBU1295 to line up and wait.
3. Several other aircraft landed with instruction to taxi via right Juliet, then hold short 22R. After departing aircraft from 22R passed, holding aircraft on Juliet were cleared to taxi across 22R, then to monitor Ground.
4. There was no acknowledgement from Tower of BWA626 landing and runway exit, nor any further taxiway instructions.
5. JBU1295 is cleared for takeoff.
6. JFK Tower tells BWA526 to hold short of 22R, twice, with No acknowledgement. BWA526 had switched to Ground frequency by this time before crossing 22R.
7. JFK Tower instructs JBU1295 to abort takeoff.
8. JFK Tower tries to contact BWA526 twice, with No acknowledgement.
8. JFK Tower asks JBU1295 if they need any assistance. They say no. Tower directs to turn right Golf, then right Bravo. Eventually, to the ramp.
9. JFK Ground asks BWA526 if they were cleared to cross 22R. They acknowledge YES - They were NOT!
1. JFK Tower cleared BWA526 with no mention of further taxiway instructions.
2. JFK Tower cleared JBU1295 to line up and wait.
3. Several other aircraft landed with instruction to taxi via right Juliet, then hold short 22R. After departing aircraft from 22R passed, holding aircraft on Juliet were cleared to taxi across 22R, then to monitor Ground.
4. There was no acknowledgement from Tower of BWA626 landing and runway exit, nor any further taxiway instructions.
5. JBU1295 is cleared for takeoff.
6. JFK Tower tells BWA526 to hold short of 22R, twice, with No acknowledgement. BWA526 had switched to Ground frequency by this time before crossing 22R.
7. JFK Tower instructs JBU1295 to abort takeoff.
8. JFK Tower tries to contact BWA526 twice, with No acknowledgement.
8. JFK Tower asks JBU1295 if they need any assistance. They say no. Tower directs to turn right Golf, then right Bravo. Eventually, to the ramp.
9. JFK Ground asks BWA526 if they were cleared to cross 22R. They acknowledge YES - They were NOT!
I think JBU saw 526 and started the abort before the tower told them
To restore faith in the system, I hope you're correct. :)
I think your right. I forgot to add in my synopsis that after JBU1295 aborted the takeoff and acknowledged that they didn't need any assistance, they asked the Tower what aircraft was crossing. The Tower confirmed it was BWA526.