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FAA overhauls airline pilot training requirements
One of the new requirements for pilots requires airlines to provide better training on how to prevent and recover from an aerodynamic stall. (news.msn.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I guarantee that if anyone goes out and asks 10 pilots "how do you recover from a stall?" all 10 of them would say push forward on the yoke and add full power. Airline pilots should not have to be reminded of this, this is something that comes without saying. The FAA overlooked the fact that these pilots were running on minimal rest, were tired and fatigued. They should have done something to the minimum crew rest period rather than jacking up the hour requirement to 1500 hours. Every pilot learns on their first or second lesson how to recover from a stall, and from then on out, every training flight that they take usually involves a practice stall. Although adding stalls to airline pilot proficiency won't hurt, the FAA overlooked one of the major causes of this accident; airline crew rest minimums and pilot commutes that some of these regional airline pilots are taking just to get to their base.
You can ask that and will get that answer, BUT, if you are flying and you violate the sterile cockpit rule during the final or critical phase of flight and chat along as the Colgan folks were rather than FLY THE PLANE,you allow yourself to be startled and human nature is to pull something up when you are falling. Recovery from a stall is exact opposite to that. Basically, had they been paying attention to what they were doing, they might not have been startled and would have done it right, which MIGHT have saved them.
"Sterile Cockpit Rule"??
"preacher1", I thought you knew more than that. The "Sterile Cockpit Rule" (as commonly referred to) is only in reference to distracting and non-essential conversation, and ONLY below 10,000 feet MSL, or depending on the airport elevation, within critical phases of flight.
For all intents and purposes WITHIN U.S. airspace (to include Alaska and Hawai'i) this is meant to infer below 10,000 feet MSL.
BUT....and this is important....even WHEN below 10,000 feet and in LEVEL flight, certain non-essential conversations are allowed. This is a distinction that may be superseded...but Humans are Humans.
In any case, *IF* we are referring to Colgan 3407? We can review the full NTSB accident report at any time, and discuss the details and "Human factors"....
"preacher1", I thought you knew more than that. The "Sterile Cockpit Rule" (as commonly referred to) is only in reference to distracting and non-essential conversation, and ONLY below 10,000 feet MSL, or depending on the airport elevation, within critical phases of flight.
For all intents and purposes WITHIN U.S. airspace (to include Alaska and Hawai'i) this is meant to infer below 10,000 feet MSL.
BUT....and this is important....even WHEN below 10,000 feet and in LEVEL flight, certain non-essential conversations are allowed. This is a distinction that may be superseded...but Humans are Humans.
In any case, *IF* we are referring to Colgan 3407? We can review the full NTSB accident report at any time, and discuss the details and "Human factors"....
I know what the rule is. I was thinkin' the Colgan flight was below 10 grand
My point was that they should have been paying attention to business rather than yakking as they were doing
They were absolutely in a sterile cockpit phase of flight Tim.
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Tim, if you don't consider an ILS approach, at night, in marginal weather conditions, or holding in moderate to severe icing conditions a "critical phase of flight", then I'm not sure that your ATP and mine were issued by the same governing body? As for the "sterile cockpit rule", I introduced it first in an earlier post, so don't bust preacher's chops on a topic that I am quite sure he is well versed on. This entire thread rests on the premise that "the lights were on and nobody was at home" The cure will not be the 1500 hour rule. It will be the fantasy of well rested crewmembers and their ability to stay in the loop, and perceive the threat. Don't know how you make that happen 100% of the time.
Thanks for chiming in there bud.