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NTSB says Notams are "just a pile of garbage" [video]
NTSB Board Chairman, at the Air Canada 759 hearing into the SFO attempted taxiway landing explains that NOTAMs are "just a pile of garbage that no one pays any attention to" "written in some kind of language that only a computer programmer would really understand. Just pages and pages and pages of irrelevant material, the important stuff gets buried." (www.youtube.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I have known that NOTAMS were garbage for years. But a United States Governmental Official making a valid point has me perplexed and worried. What could possibly be next?
"But a United States Governmental Official making a valid point has me perplexed and worried". Winner, bar none!
All kidding aside, most NOTAMS that are airport specific are actually issued by the controlling agency over the airport itself, not the FAA. I would be the last person to ever give the FAA a break but it’s the format itself that they are responsible for.
The actual culprit in this is the airport itself. As they continue to grab every tax dollar they can get their hands on and fleece the American taxpayer as they continue to make in my opinion unnecessary airport changes. All the concrete in the world won’t help ORD or ATL when the weather goes down.
I went into KCI once and 2 of the 3 runways were closed for construction and at that time the airport was a ghost town. Every taxiway closely associated to the closed runways had a NOTAM issued for it. It would have better and safer if there was one blanket statement that said “you better watch your @ss because a bunch of crap is tore the he** up”.
To add another wrinkle to it when these NOTAMS make it to the ATIS it becomes a safety issue in its own right. 250 Knots below 10,000 feet equates to just slightly over 4 miles a minute. A single pilot CJ4 will cover 12 miles during a 3 minute ATIS while trying to listen to 2 frequencies. And if you miss something in the ATIS it’s another 12 miles for each retry. It’s a huge safety issue when in flying in high density areas.
At one time the controller handbook set a max limit for the ATIS at 3 minutes. Some are now going past 4. My first child was born in 1982 and for her first birthday we purchased a toy that had a pullstring on it to teach her animal sounds. The voice on it was many times better than the voice on the ATIS frequency. I have also been told that the actual weather portion of the ATIS is a cut and paste so we end up with all the crap at the end that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I have absolutely no interest in the sea level preassure in Denver.
A flood of calls to the Aviation Safety Hotline might make some awareness to the issue. I doubt it will change anything.
The actual culprit in this is the airport itself. As they continue to grab every tax dollar they can get their hands on and fleece the American taxpayer as they continue to make in my opinion unnecessary airport changes. All the concrete in the world won’t help ORD or ATL when the weather goes down.
I went into KCI once and 2 of the 3 runways were closed for construction and at that time the airport was a ghost town. Every taxiway closely associated to the closed runways had a NOTAM issued for it. It would have better and safer if there was one blanket statement that said “you better watch your @ss because a bunch of crap is tore the he** up”.
To add another wrinkle to it when these NOTAMS make it to the ATIS it becomes a safety issue in its own right. 250 Knots below 10,000 feet equates to just slightly over 4 miles a minute. A single pilot CJ4 will cover 12 miles during a 3 minute ATIS while trying to listen to 2 frequencies. And if you miss something in the ATIS it’s another 12 miles for each retry. It’s a huge safety issue when in flying in high density areas.
At one time the controller handbook set a max limit for the ATIS at 3 minutes. Some are now going past 4. My first child was born in 1982 and for her first birthday we purchased a toy that had a pullstring on it to teach her animal sounds. The voice on it was many times better than the voice on the ATIS frequency. I have also been told that the actual weather portion of the ATIS is a cut and paste so we end up with all the crap at the end that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I have absolutely no interest in the sea level preassure in Denver.
A flood of calls to the Aviation Safety Hotline might make some awareness to the issue. I doubt it will change anything.
wb., I'd say you have a better grasp of the NOTAM system than many and I agree with all your points. Might help some if the circus barker types slowed down the bark to a pace that allowed one to write down a pertinent piece of data without missing the rest of the ATIS., then we might not have to listen to it again. Moved to RBD yet? Cheers.
Haven’t been back to Dallas for quite some time. As far as I know the increased fees at DAL have been delayed. Probably not stopped but only delayed.
What could possibly be next?
The end times. Apocalypse. God alone knows what else.
The end times. Apocalypse. God alone knows what else.