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767 35-Knot Crosswind Landing
What happens when 120 tonnes of landing Boeing 767 encounters severe turbulence just above the runway (15 at BHX). Just watch the wheels bouncing in all directions under the shear forces. Very reassuring that the undercarriage can take this sort of punishment without blowing itself to pieces. (www.youtube.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
nice landing??? they never even aligned with the runway. a true crosswind landing that was NOT!
Machos could not be more correct , his sink rate was two high .
Aircraft should have been aligned with the centerline properly. Cross wind landing technique was very poor. Not a very good pilot, just a very lucky one. In my opinion I would have gone around. He obviously was not capable of making a safe landing in this situation.Airline pilots are not test pilots, especially with passenger lives on board.
Looked like it was more so hovering than coming in for landing!
To be perfectly frank, that was a shitty X-wind technique demonstrated on this vid. X-wind from the right. The crab should have been totally eliminated at point of touchdown by using aileron into the wind and rudder to straighten the A/C longitudinally to the centerline of the runway. After touchdown, aileron into the wind should be utilized until the end of rollout. (Never quit flying the wing until you get to the gate)
The bounce was more than should have been but just going by the story, the Xwind tagged him pretty close in. That said, in looking at the video again, he pretty much did just as you said. If you look close, and that video is not that good a quality, you can see the left wing cleaning up and the rudder movement to help straighten it out.
Preacher, he quit flying the airplane. Period. The landing was hard, way too hard, and I stand by what I have said. The right gear impacted the runway, then skidded to the left. No excuse for a "proficient pilot" versed in x-wind landings on wide (or any other bodied) aircraft. A X-wind landing, when flown by a proficient pilot should be no more difficult than a landing with the wind coming directly down the runway. No wheels should be scrubbed, either the upwind or the downwind trucks.
I wish I had a nickel for every landing I ever made in a 767 or 777 when my track down final had the cockpit nearly over the side of the runway and the trucks on the centerline. Then, with cross controls appropriately applied (aileron into the wind, rudder to straighten the A/C to the centerline) resulting in a smooth landing on the centerline with no one the wiser.
I wish I had a nickel for every landing I ever made in a 767 or 777 when my track down final had the cockpit nearly over the side of the runway and the trucks on the centerline. Then, with cross controls appropriately applied (aileron into the wind, rudder to straighten the A/C to the centerline) resulting in a smooth landing on the centerline with no one the wiser.
I can agree with the landing being way too hard. What I can't tell from the video is how far out he was when it hit him. If it was there when he started his approach, then I am in 100% agreement with you. If it came in out of nowhere on a short final, he may have just been attempting a correction and doing the best he could. That said, if it did just swoop in, it looked like in the video he had time & altitude for a goround and really set for it. In addition, I think it was at BHX which is notorious for xwind. idk. As below, that didn't look uncommon for the old KaiTak. LOL
If it was reported to be a 35 knot x-wind then the only real option he had was to execute a missed approach because that is outside the x-wind limits for a 767 (unless he was exercising his prerogative as Captain in command due to minimum fuel, etc. and had no other options). I get so freakin' tired of watching these videos of airline pilots in "x-wind" conditions beating the living hell out of the equipment when it is not, ever, necessary.
No it's not. Our (major US airline) x-wind limitation on the 767 is 40 kts with sufficient rudder available and wing down to maintain centerline without dragging and engine or wing tip.
You mean "no its not" on your airline. Airlines differ. There are no X-wind limits per se, only maximum demonstrated x-winds as experienced by the designer in testing. These are not to be considered as limits, however, exceed them at your own risk. Of course, wet or dry runways, slippery, etc. reduce those limits dramatically. I think our 777 dry max x-wind was 38 knots, but its been twelve years and some of those numbers escape me...
These are from Boeing and individual airlines have gone from there.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CD0QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartcockpit.com%2Fdownload.php%3Fpath%3Ddocs%2F%26file%3DCrosswind_Guidelines.pdf&ei=7bZLU6iUI-WA2wWR8oHIDA&usg=AFQjCNEu-NUXgP5MBf-LKbUHDPsd_7BOOw&bvm=bv.64542518,d.b2I
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CD0QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartcockpit.com%2Fdownload.php%3Fpath%3Ddocs%2F%26file%3DCrosswind_Guidelines.pdf&ei=7bZLU6iUI-WA2wWR8oHIDA&usg=AFQjCNEu-NUXgP5MBf-LKbUHDPsd_7BOOw&bvm=bv.64542518,d.b2I
It's on page 5
I realize everyone's ops specs are different. Our company 767 limit is 40 dry, 35 wet.