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Front landing gear fails on Southwest 737 Jet
Southwest 737 crash lands at Laguardia airport. 3 Injuries reported. The Southwest flight 345 came in from Nashville. They don't know yet if it was a hard landing or the wheel wouldn't come down. (www.cnn.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
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BTW if anybody is interested. If you go to "[email protected]" you can give them your city/town location and they will alert you way before anytime the station will fly over you in the dark of course, also in what direction from and to and how long it will be visible. Usually 2-6 minutes as it's flyin at 17,500 mph.
For all you people that have never heard of you tube or the website "airnation" there are tons of passenger videos of landings and takeoffs from their seats. In fact some people make a living by taking them.
So it's ok to break rules and laws so long as you post videos of it on you tube? Good to know.
It is perfectly legal to hold a 10 pound old school film camera (not an electronic device) while filming a landing. An 8-pound paper edition of War and Peace would be equally legal. Such an object would easily be a flying projectile that could kill the person struck by said heavy object.
So why get worked up when someone is holding a 4 ounce digital camera or a 6 ounce ereader, that is not nearly as dangerous a projectile. Having a digital screen does not confer upon either device any special danger.
Some ought to take a chill pill.
If on the other hand, if a passenger were transmitting a phone call, text or other data steam during approach or takeoff, an hypothesis could be made for potential inteference with flight deck or aircraft operation. Although it is inlikely that any such potential interference would bring down an airplane, or we'd have several planes downed by cell usage already. It would br hard to find a flight on which multiple cell phones weren't on. It is likely many are sending or receiving text, email, data and occasionally calls. So I wouldn't be convinced by the hypothesis, and fully expect the FAA taskforce on electronic device's data will disprove the hypothesis, by showing the lack of causal connection.
So again, why get worked up.
The rules will soon change. And someday they'll change again. Each time they'll get more liberal and permissive in the use of devices.
Joking that the guy caused the accident is funny. Portraying his use of a tiny digital cam as illegal is preposterous. Get over it.
So why get worked up when someone is holding a 4 ounce digital camera or a 6 ounce ereader, that is not nearly as dangerous a projectile. Having a digital screen does not confer upon either device any special danger.
Some ought to take a chill pill.
If on the other hand, if a passenger were transmitting a phone call, text or other data steam during approach or takeoff, an hypothesis could be made for potential inteference with flight deck or aircraft operation. Although it is inlikely that any such potential interference would bring down an airplane, or we'd have several planes downed by cell usage already. It would br hard to find a flight on which multiple cell phones weren't on. It is likely many are sending or receiving text, email, data and occasionally calls. So I wouldn't be convinced by the hypothesis, and fully expect the FAA taskforce on electronic device's data will disprove the hypothesis, by showing the lack of causal connection.
So again, why get worked up.
The rules will soon change. And someday they'll change again. Each time they'll get more liberal and permissive in the use of devices.
Joking that the guy caused the accident is funny. Portraying his use of a tiny digital cam as illegal is preposterous. Get over it.
Am I really the only one that ever actually listens to the crew these days? They tell you turn off and stow electronic devices and ALL personal belongings for landing, that means books and "old school" cameras too. Even when the day comes that we can use more devices on aircraft, they will still make you STOW it for take off and landing. Judging from your comment you are obviously an offender yourself, rules are rules, until they are changed. If you can't handle being without your device for these short periods of time, you really need to examine your life.
"Judging from your comment you are obviously an offender yourself"
Actually my guilty pleasure is enjoying videos and pics from airplanes, including landings and takeoffs, especially when the flight is involved in an incident. Not that I'm glad they lived through an incident, but that we have actual footage of the incident taken in real time, to review later.
I tend not to be the Alec Baldwin type. It is an unwritten rule of mine, to not antagonize the flight attendants even before the flight gets off the ground. That rule about not bringing liquids past security, combined with very dry cabin air, tends to make me need liquid refreshments. Don't see the point to not be on friendly terms with the folks who dispense these beverages.
I misspoke about the need to stow items, but I've noticed that flight attendants usually make more of a big deal if the item is an electronic device that has not been turned off. Youtube is littered with videos of passengers being escorted off the plane for failing to turn off a cell phone. But I have yet to see a similar video of a passenger deplaning because she just couldn't put down that book she was reading.
Actually my guilty pleasure is enjoying videos and pics from airplanes, including landings and takeoffs, especially when the flight is involved in an incident. Not that I'm glad they lived through an incident, but that we have actual footage of the incident taken in real time, to review later.
I tend not to be the Alec Baldwin type. It is an unwritten rule of mine, to not antagonize the flight attendants even before the flight gets off the ground. That rule about not bringing liquids past security, combined with very dry cabin air, tends to make me need liquid refreshments. Don't see the point to not be on friendly terms with the folks who dispense these beverages.
I misspoke about the need to stow items, but I've noticed that flight attendants usually make more of a big deal if the item is an electronic device that has not been turned off. Youtube is littered with videos of passengers being escorted off the plane for failing to turn off a cell phone. But I have yet to see a similar video of a passenger deplaning because she just couldn't put down that book she was reading.
I have yet to see anyone not stop reading during the 2nd most exciting part of the ride.
From the announcements that I have heard, everything is supposed to be stowed... Books included during landing.
You are correct, Sparkie. Everything that a passenger took out of their "carry-ons" during flight, is to be put back in their rightful place for landing. Many passengers are sneakie and will hide items when the Flight Attendants do their 'visual walk-thru" the cabin. When they are buckled in their jumpseats...It's really out of their hands.The FA's are just hopeful that pax's continue to comply during the time FA's are preparing themselves for landing. One more thing about "seatbelts". I recall, that when the main gear" would touch the pavement, I would hear the "click", "click", "click" of seatbelts being released...before the reversers and brakes. Again, keep them on til the airplane has parked at the gate and the "Seatbelt Sign" has been turned off. That is the pax indication that you may, release your belt and gather all crap that you brought on.
Thanks Dee for clarifying. I agree strongly with 2 points that you bring up.
1. Unbuckling while still decelerating on the runway is not the smartest thing to do.
2. Plus, there's nothing more important to be doing in the last minute or two of flight, than being attentive to the landing and any instructions from cabin crew or flight crew. I wouldn't disagree with the import of stowing things in carry-ons, clearing aisles and seats, putting on shoes, and all other such preparations undertaken prior to landing.
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But apart from that, common sense should prevail both on the part of passengers and crew.
Passengers should be respectful and follow the directions of the crew.
On the other hand crew shouldn't strictly enforce a rule that will be changing soon. Namely, the rule to turn off all electronic devices below 10,000 ft, well in advance of landing, will be substantially reversed when the FAA task force issues its' recommendations (as per Delta CEO).
In addition, Delta has announced that they will continue in-flight entertainment through taxiing, take-off and landing. Being dudtracted wuth IFE during take-off and landing, can be a greater safety issue, in the event of an emergency, than holding a tiny digital camera while being attentive.
I suggest an important educational role for the crew, to complement their safety role.
The following examples of dialogue not only educates but helps to gauge whether a passenger will be cooperative.
"Can I trust you to put that item away before landing, no later than when we're asked to take our own seats? I won't be able to come back and check on you."
"I see you have a digital camera. Can you put it away if you're not using it? If you take it out, kindly keep the wrist strap on to prevent it from being projected into or injuring another passenger in the event of an emergency/ during landing/ during takeoff."
I'm sure active flight crews can come up with even better dialogue. The point is to foster an environment of working together cooperatively to create the most safety for all with the least unnecessary disruption to passengers.
1. Unbuckling while still decelerating on the runway is not the smartest thing to do.
2. Plus, there's nothing more important to be doing in the last minute or two of flight, than being attentive to the landing and any instructions from cabin crew or flight crew. I wouldn't disagree with the import of stowing things in carry-ons, clearing aisles and seats, putting on shoes, and all other such preparations undertaken prior to landing.
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But apart from that, common sense should prevail both on the part of passengers and crew.
Passengers should be respectful and follow the directions of the crew.
On the other hand crew shouldn't strictly enforce a rule that will be changing soon. Namely, the rule to turn off all electronic devices below 10,000 ft, well in advance of landing, will be substantially reversed when the FAA task force issues its' recommendations (as per Delta CEO).
In addition, Delta has announced that they will continue in-flight entertainment through taxiing, take-off and landing. Being dudtracted wuth IFE during take-off and landing, can be a greater safety issue, in the event of an emergency, than holding a tiny digital camera while being attentive.
I suggest an important educational role for the crew, to complement their safety role.
The following examples of dialogue not only educates but helps to gauge whether a passenger will be cooperative.
"Can I trust you to put that item away before landing, no later than when we're asked to take our own seats? I won't be able to come back and check on you."
"I see you have a digital camera. Can you put it away if you're not using it? If you take it out, kindly keep the wrist strap on to prevent it from being projected into or injuring another passenger in the event of an emergency/ during landing/ during takeoff."
I'm sure active flight crews can come up with even better dialogue. The point is to foster an environment of working together cooperatively to create the most safety for all with the least unnecessary disruption to passengers.
Photo- I totally agree with you, although, my job was to comply with and enforce all directives written in the FAR's and to comply with additional instructions given by the FAA. Until it is the "written word" that electronic equipment can remain on later that 10,000 ft., we as crewmembers, must abide by these rules. We can't deviate or be nonchalant when it comes down to the FAA. 10,000 ft. is the "witten number". All crewmembers should be on the same page and follow FAA directives...if not they could be hit with a hefty fine.
As far as 'IFE" remaining on during taxi, take-off and landing...I feel it's a real bad idea. People do not need to be distracted anymore than they already are.
( They are distracted the minute they board the aircraft! ) It would greatly jeopardize lives if , in fact, an evacuation was necessary.
Sure liked your dialogue suggestions.
As far as 'IFE" remaining on during taxi, take-off and landing...I feel it's a real bad idea. People do not need to be distracted anymore than they already are.
( They are distracted the minute they board the aircraft! ) It would greatly jeopardize lives if , in fact, an evacuation was necessary.
Sure liked your dialogue suggestions.
I understand that need to follow FAA directives and not lose one's job.
It's one thing to inform passengers of the FAA rules. It's another to strictly enforce a rule that will change soon. It would be good for airlines to cut the cabin crew some slack, in the intensity of persistence in getting passengers to comply. It may just come down to taking time before reminding passengers to comply, and insisting only just before final approach.
So enforcement of the FARs could be done with less intensity, and a bit more slowly, and totally without getting all stressed. It's better for everyone's frame of mind to be relaxed about it. Technically, the job gets done, and directives followed, but no one need feel like there's an adversarial dynamic happening.
Let us know how things change over time, before/ after the written directives change (the letter of the law), airline policy change (both formal or informal), and behaviors and perceptions of both passengers and crew. This topic will come up again, even if only after FAA changes the rule, maybe sooner. Good to hear from folks on the front line.
It's one thing to inform passengers of the FAA rules. It's another to strictly enforce a rule that will change soon. It would be good for airlines to cut the cabin crew some slack, in the intensity of persistence in getting passengers to comply. It may just come down to taking time before reminding passengers to comply, and insisting only just before final approach.
So enforcement of the FARs could be done with less intensity, and a bit more slowly, and totally without getting all stressed. It's better for everyone's frame of mind to be relaxed about it. Technically, the job gets done, and directives followed, but no one need feel like there's an adversarial dynamic happening.
Let us know how things change over time, before/ after the written directives change (the letter of the law), airline policy change (both formal or informal), and behaviors and perceptions of both passengers and crew. This topic will come up again, even if only after FAA changes the rule, maybe sooner. Good to hear from folks on the front line.
Hey, Photo. You know, if every passenger would power down their devices before take-off and landing when they were told to, you wouldn't detect the intensity from the Cabin Crew. Doesn't matter what airline you're on or what kind of aircraft you're flying on...research shows that 1 in 5 people fail to comply with Flight Attendant instructions. It's not the Flight Attendant causing the intense atmosphere...it's your fellow passenger who is fighting the system and close to, if not already, displaying signs of beligerence towards a crewmember, who is merely doing their job. Flight Attendants don't want to be the "Social Police".
The electronic device directive will most likely change but only the guidlines...not the rules. Passengers will see that the FAA and FCC will relax the guidlines relating to reading devices such as kindles, etc., being allowed to remain on during take-off and landing. Cell phones, skype and other devices will still be restricted, enforced and will maintain the 10,000 ft. rule. We shall see.
I'm personally not in agreement with that possible change, as a kindle, on impact, can kill you. Possibly decapitate you. "War and Peace", the book, could do the same. Both are a potential projectile in an aircraft impact.
In addition, I feel, passengers should cut the Flight Attendants some slack. They are doing the best they can do to ensure passenger safety and they are up against some brutal paassenger opposition.
Word to the wise. Never underestimate the forces of an aircraft impact...or turbulence for that matter.
The electronic device directive will most likely change but only the guidlines...not the rules. Passengers will see that the FAA and FCC will relax the guidlines relating to reading devices such as kindles, etc., being allowed to remain on during take-off and landing. Cell phones, skype and other devices will still be restricted, enforced and will maintain the 10,000 ft. rule. We shall see.
I'm personally not in agreement with that possible change, as a kindle, on impact, can kill you. Possibly decapitate you. "War and Peace", the book, could do the same. Both are a potential projectile in an aircraft impact.
In addition, I feel, passengers should cut the Flight Attendants some slack. They are doing the best they can do to ensure passenger safety and they are up against some brutal paassenger opposition.
Word to the wise. Never underestimate the forces of an aircraft impact...or turbulence for that matter.
I suspect that your comment is pretty close to what'll happen.
I won't disagree that the passengers are the ultimate cause of the adversarial nature, when they are the ones slow to turn off their devices.
So I won't ever blame the crew. I blame the stupid rules.
However, the crew can be quite helpful in diffusing some of that unpleasantness. First and foremost, by being relaxed.
While it is necessary to inform passengers of the FAA directive at the specified 10,000 ft., and necessary to follow up to verify that passengers have followed the directive; the speed of follow up, and the timing of when to insist that reluctant passengers comply could be intentionally delayed until the very last minutes before final.
So while I recommend following the directive, and enforcing the directive, I suggest doing so in a relaxed state, and to not allow passengers disregarding the directive to provoke a reaction.
I would agree that all devices (including any readers or other devices permitted below 10,000) should be stowed at least for the takeoff and landing (at least until the gear is raised on takeoff, or when the plane departs the runway on landing). But I wouldn't be too worried by a small light device (digital camera) that is tethered with a strap.
Good luck. It's a tough job you folks do everyday. I hope the eventual rule change makes your job easier, not harder (some devices but not others, and varying by altitude).
Thanks for speaking up for the crew.
I won't disagree that the passengers are the ultimate cause of the adversarial nature, when they are the ones slow to turn off their devices.
So I won't ever blame the crew. I blame the stupid rules.
However, the crew can be quite helpful in diffusing some of that unpleasantness. First and foremost, by being relaxed.
While it is necessary to inform passengers of the FAA directive at the specified 10,000 ft., and necessary to follow up to verify that passengers have followed the directive; the speed of follow up, and the timing of when to insist that reluctant passengers comply could be intentionally delayed until the very last minutes before final.
So while I recommend following the directive, and enforcing the directive, I suggest doing so in a relaxed state, and to not allow passengers disregarding the directive to provoke a reaction.
I would agree that all devices (including any readers or other devices permitted below 10,000) should be stowed at least for the takeoff and landing (at least until the gear is raised on takeoff, or when the plane departs the runway on landing). But I wouldn't be too worried by a small light device (digital camera) that is tethered with a strap.
Good luck. It's a tough job you folks do everyday. I hope the eventual rule change makes your job easier, not harder (some devices but not others, and varying by altitude).
Thanks for speaking up for the crew.
Thanks to you both, PhotoFinish and Dee Lowry for the info and perspective.
It is an untenable position to try to comply with all regulations and instill compliance to the flying population. It is akin to a case of using sheep flock techniques on a herd of cats.
The people on the way to the airport who were weaving thru heavy traffic while texting, pausing only to respond to a skype call, probably are distracted before they board. That may not be a problem in that there is no solution: you may not be able to get their attention about something that may save their lives.
Still, you have to try. Thanks for continuing to try.
It is an untenable position to try to comply with all regulations and instill compliance to the flying population. It is akin to a case of using sheep flock techniques on a herd of cats.
The people on the way to the airport who were weaving thru heavy traffic while texting, pausing only to respond to a skype call, probably are distracted before they board. That may not be a problem in that there is no solution: you may not be able to get their attention about something that may save their lives.
Still, you have to try. Thanks for continuing to try.