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Read The Terrifying Last Words Of A Russian Pilot As Flight Crashes Into Ocean
Russian authorities have released a report on the black box found in the wreckage of a military plane that veered off course and crashed in the Black Sea on Christmas Day, killing all 92 people on board. (dailycaller.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Good job putting a picture of crashing Boeing 747 there. Even though the plane crashed is a Russian made Tu-154
You caught that also...and I didnt realize the wing flaps steer the plane???...
Yeah.. I thought I had made comment to that.. LOL... those TU-154 production ended in 1972. those things are VERY VERY OLD! If they wanted to post a similar picture a 727 would have been closer... After all that is what the Russians copied it from!
Why even bother with a similar picture of a 727? A simple Google search for Tu-154 turns up tons of good quality photos of said aircraft. I really don't understand why journos do this sort of thing these days, it's just lazy journalism.
Journalism has lost so much integrity since the advent of social media. Sad.
Journalism has lost so much integrity since the advent of social media. Sad.
Actually, the two planes are quite different (having been in the cockpit of both in flight, and of course I know the 727 intimately).
Was just saying that they could have choosen something a little closer to what it really was.. that is all.. Geez.. the DC-9 would be closer than a 747!
We're only talking about a photo here. I just finished an article about a "crash" in the era of gasoline engines and the publisher posted an iconic picture of a B727 because the article was about Eastern Airlines. It only makes a difference to the young who wouldn't know a DC6 from a DC8.
Hmm - there was still limited production of the 154M model as of January 2009. In this accident, the working/handling of the flaps is the key i think ! Cause when a heavy loaded plane take off, the speed is relatvely low in the first stage of the departure so....the plane must be able to climb safe inside its envelope....to say it !
A plane can be very old, but if maintained well, it can last and last. Here in Norway we have a Dakota DC 3 with registration LN - WND bulit back in 1943. It´s belong to Dakota Norway and is in a suberb condition, but a lot of money is invested an peopple with a big love for this machine take very well care of it.
Tom:
Welcome aboard and congrats on your first posts!
Agreed that the calendar age isn't necessarily indicative of airworthiness. A much better metric is cycle count, which airliners tend to tack on rather steadily. Indeed, if well maintained, they can last many thousands of cycles. The problem is that once the primary operators retire them, they often go to, shall we say, less reputable carriers, or carriers in countries with less oversight on their aviation maintenance program.
It's here that the real problems pop up for a couple reasons. First, the lack of oversight and second, the lack of reporting of known issues to OEMs, which makes it very hard (if not impossible) to create long-term maintenance actions. (Can't fix what you don't know is broken).
Certainly not saying that's the case here, but definitely something that will be looked at in the investigation.
Welcome aboard and congrats on your first posts!
Agreed that the calendar age isn't necessarily indicative of airworthiness. A much better metric is cycle count, which airliners tend to tack on rather steadily. Indeed, if well maintained, they can last many thousands of cycles. The problem is that once the primary operators retire them, they often go to, shall we say, less reputable carriers, or carriers in countries with less oversight on their aviation maintenance program.
It's here that the real problems pop up for a couple reasons. First, the lack of oversight and second, the lack of reporting of known issues to OEMs, which makes it very hard (if not impossible) to create long-term maintenance actions. (Can't fix what you don't know is broken).
Certainly not saying that's the case here, but definitely something that will be looked at in the investigation.
Yepp, it was delivered new to the Russian Airforce in 1983, and later several companies used it until coming back to the airforce again in 2005 :
February 1983
CCCP-85572
Soviet Air Force
first flight
28 April 1994
RA-85572
Russian Air Force
new registration
1 Nov. 1994
RA-85572
Korsar
leased
6 June 1997
RA-85572
Iron Dragonfly
leased
18 June 1997
RA-85572
Russian Air Force
returned
19 Jan 2004
RA-85572
Aeroflot
leased
1 March 2005
RA-85572
Russian Air Force
returned
February 1983
CCCP-85572
Soviet Air Force
first flight
28 April 1994
RA-85572
Russian Air Force
new registration
1 Nov. 1994
RA-85572
Korsar
leased
6 June 1997
RA-85572
Iron Dragonfly
leased
18 June 1997
RA-85572
Russian Air Force
returned
19 Jan 2004
RA-85572
Aeroflot
leased
1 March 2005
RA-85572
Russian Air Force
returned