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Nasa Veteran’s Propellantless Propulsion Drive That Physics Says Shouldn’t Work Just Produced Enough Thrust to Overcome Earth’s Gravity

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Dr. Charles Buhler, a NASA engineer and the co-founder of Exodus Propulsion Technologies, has revealed that his company’s propellantless propulsion drive, which appears to defy the known laws of physics, has produced enough thrust to counteract Earth’s gravity. A veteran of such storied programs as NASA’s Space Shuttle, the International Space Station (ISS), The Hubble Telescope, and the current NASA Dust Program, Buhler and his colleagues believe their discovery of a fundamental new force… (thedebrief.org) Más...

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bingobanner
Russ Brown 10
The return of the fabulous "Dean Drive" as featured in "Analogue Science Fiction Science Fact" 50 years ago. (Along withe the 100 miles per gallon carbureter suppressed by BIG OIL)
richmarton
Rich Marton 4
The "100 MPG" carburetor"! I haven't heard that tale since the '70's. You are right, some random guy some place in Backwoods, USA invented this but, Big Oil bought him out to suppress this "amazing" technology so they could continue to sell more gas.

[Shakes fist at Big Oil]

Interesting, in all this time no one has been able to reproduce that technology.
Bandrunner
Bandrunner 6
I always hoped the next major breakthrough in propulsion would be by a bloke in a shed.
okanec
Carl OKane 18
Flight aware, you are better than this. Publishing this link puts you on the same level as the national enquirer. Your journalists do themselves a disservice. If you must publish a link to this, publish a link to other opinions. This isn’t news. https://hackaday.com/2024/04/25/the-myth-of-propellantless-space-propulsion-refuses-to-die/
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 6
Thanks Carl for publishing that link, which confirms my own skepticism about these claims.
However, the reason why the original story was listed in the weekly Flightaware summary is that it had received 15 upvotes to 2 downvotes. If you want to keep junk news off the summary, visit the site during the week and use your vote!
okanec
Carl OKane 2
Ahhhh. Thanks Colin. That makes sense.
jshhmr
josh homer 2
Never heard of that website. Who are they funded by?
lynx318
lynx318 1
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-debrief-bias/
MoominMama
Janice Watkins 5
Isn't it a bit late for April Fool's Day?
craiglgood
Craig Good 9
No peer review, and just a presentation at a crank conference. I think the laws of physics are still safe from the magical drive.
bbabis
bbabis 12
A very interesting read, but 60 years ago I could rub a balloon on my head and it would rise up to the ceiling. I'm not sure how far beyond that principle Dr. Buhler is.
allanrbowman
Allan Bowman 4
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/author/37267914400 the real Dr. Buhler. No mention of tractor beams.
N2903L
Fred Ogden 7
Something about free lunch?
If it sounds to be too good to be true then...
New physics?

Even if a new means of generating thrust without propellant using electrostatics exists, physics does not disappear:

a=m/F. 1g acceleration is possible with a tiny force acting on a tiny mass.

To be useful, the force must be large if the mass is large. If the force is weak, at it seems likely to be, the apparatus must have low mass or this does not do much useful.

Put me in the skeptical category. Fly it over my house with a human on board, and I'll get excited.
steveastrouk
Steve Taylor 2
F=ma a=f/m
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Some of the weakest forces in the universe keep planets in orbit.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
That sounds a bunch of baloney that you just made up. But, I have an open mind. Am I correct in assuming that the planet upon which the weakest force keeps it in orbit would be Pluto? (I know that some don’t consider Pluto a planet, but I am trying to do you a favor). What exactly is the magnitude of the ‘weak’ force that keeps Pluto in orbit? In Newtons, please.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Gravity is considered a weak force and it’s not measured in newtons so I can’t help you with thar. Every planet is held in orbit around stars by gravity. Moons orbit planets because of gravity. Stars orbit within galaxies because of gravity. But gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces. The strongest force holds the the nucleus of an atom together. To explain it all I would have to get into some long boring quantum mechanics.
Electromagnetic force like the static these people are discussing is the seconds strongest force so these guys may be right or maybe they are so far lost in the theoretical world that they have stepped out of reality. If I was to bet on it I suspect this will be the last we hear of it.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
The sun holds Pluto in its orbit with approximately 65 quadrillion Newtons. And Newtons are the standard metric for force. All other planets are held in their orbits with higher forces. If you consider 65 quadrillion Newtons a ‘weak force’, then I can’t help you.
allanrbowman
Allan Bowman 6
It seems every techno scam has an alleged former NASA "engineer" behind it. Wall warts that reduce your electricity bill by 90%, vehicle module that dramatically reduces gas mileage and other things that violate well proven physics. My house is powered by alien beams from the planet ZOG and is 100% renewable.
bingobanner
Russ Brown 7
During the first oil crisis in 1973 I was staff on the US Senate energy committee. We had secret energy inventions coming out of our ears. "give me a million dollars and I will tellyou what I have." Gas pill (just add water) The fabulous Moody Mobile invented by a dirt track racer and his trusted mechanic, all kinds of stuff.
kpbarbee
Kevin Barbee 2
I hear that planet ZOG is lovely this time of year!
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 6
The article quotes Dr Buhler, “The highest we have generated on a stacked system is about 10 mN”. That’s equivalent to about 1 gram force. Later there’s a claim that the 30-40 gram device was producing enough thrust to counteract the full force of one Earth gravity. That would take a force of 300-400 mN.
That’s a big contradiction.
Cat3508
Neil Ward 3
I wonder if Captain Kirk knows about this !
lynx318
lynx318 1
Keep thinking of Star Wars Replulsorlifts but those only raise a ship not propel it.
bbabis
bbabis 3
This comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
scottsol31
Scott Soloway 3
The unmentioned beauty of this propulsion method is that the necessary electricity is generated by cold fusion.
RexBentley
Rex Bentley 3
Yep, rubber bands.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 5
The headline is a definite, blatant and intentional lie. I HATE lies.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
Whoever downvoted my comment must love being lied to.
Ken4439
Ken Rackowski 3
It’s about as believable as the USA using 100% renewable power by 2050.
w1cavico
William Cavico 1
The brief description reminds of the Townsend electro statically charged flying discs of 80+ years ago.

What was not mentioned was that the "translation of the center of mass" by an electric field brings to mind the ancient Egyptian batteries and movement of stone blocks weighting 10s of tons.
Bobqat
Bob Harrington 1
Fantastic!!!
Now, all we need is a 30 gram astronaut...
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
No, that would be WAY too obese for this technology.
MikeInPA
Mike InPA 1
Did I miss where they descibed the power source?
justpeachyjams80
Arthur Peach 1
This APPEARS to be very credible and appealing, BUT...I think there are a 'million questions' generated by this article. First, we should wait for and demand peer reviews of the theory described here. There MAY BE something here to proceed on, then again there MAY NOT BE. "Question Everything".
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
If you read the article and thought it credible,…. I hope you don’t vote.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 0
Who knows what will happen as technology advances. This might be the beginning of something big but more likely it will just fade into oblivion like so many other consents that just didn’t work in the real world.
electronfairy
John Getty 0
I am insulted that FlightAware would publish this tripe. It brings into question everything in their newsletter.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 0
A lot of skeptics but who know where this will lead. Most likely no where but I’m old enough to remember when the thought of a hand held computer was something out of science fiction movies and here I am typing this on a phone that is more powerful than most of the mainframes I where in the seventies. So best of luck to these guys but if their looking for investors count me out.
lynx318
lynx318 0
Class role call: Buhler... Buhler... Buhler...

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