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787 Dreamliner teaches Boeing costly lesson on outsourcing
The next-generation airliner is billions of dollars over budget and about three years late; the first paying passengers won't be boarding until this fall, if then. Boeing's dream was to save money. The reality is that it would have been cheaper to keep a lot of this work in-house. (www.latimes.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Yes, unions are good. Just ask the parents of students in Wisc. You know, the ones that aren't in school because of the epidemic in 8 school districts that have them closed for 3 days. Funny though, only the teachers are sick. Seems to me that there are enough knowledgeable people to split from Boeing and create an improved company. That's been happening for decades but everyone's happy with the status quo so of course quality is the first thing to disappear. I'm sorry, I forgot if you don't work it's because you're not a union member. Yes, unions are good.
Chris13: I can't believe you read the article before making your comments. Please read the article again.
Boeing was warned about the profitability and quality issues of relying so much on outsourcing by someone who had seen the same playbook used on the DC-10 at McDonnell-Douglas. That warning was ignored by top management. Unions had nothing to do with it.
That's something of a theme in this country. Tech bubble warnings: ignored. Housing bubble warnings: ignored. Outsourcing bubble warnings: ignored. Next up: budget-slashing-during-fragile-recovery bubble warnings!
Boeing was warned about the profitability and quality issues of relying so much on outsourcing by someone who had seen the same playbook used on the DC-10 at McDonnell-Douglas. That warning was ignored by top management. Unions had nothing to do with it.
That's something of a theme in this country. Tech bubble warnings: ignored. Housing bubble warnings: ignored. Outsourcing bubble warnings: ignored. Next up: budget-slashing-during-fragile-recovery bubble warnings!
Just another aftermath of greed driven deregulation. Keep this up and we will all need to start speaking Chinese since they will shortly own everything in the United States.
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For Amber Waves of Grain,
For Purple Mountains Majesties
Along the Fruited Plains.
America, America, God shed his grace on thee.
LET'S NOT KEEP FORGETTING THIS!
WAKE UP AMERICA, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Self Reliance and Ingenuity got us where we are,
But we seem to be slipping.
For Amber Waves of Grain,
For Purple Mountains Majesties
Along the Fruited Plains.
America, America, God shed his grace on thee.
LET'S NOT KEEP FORGETTING THIS!
WAKE UP AMERICA, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Self Reliance and Ingenuity got us where we are,
But we seem to be slipping.
Yes yes, its the evil Unions that destroy everything - HOGWASH! If all the workers made management pay you would have to sell aircraft for Trillions each! I never hear the executives complain about the over inflated compensations they get.. But when a blue collar worker wants to keep his job and make a decent living at it, he's evil.
I think anyone who belies this is an idiot. At the end of the day, if we keep offshoring our jobs there wont be anyone left who makes any money in this country (other than CEO's and other executives and managers) to actually buy airline tickets, or buy cars, or anything else for that matter.
Even if outsourcing saves money, its a waste. Capitalism is good, very good! but its been perverted. There should be compassion in capitalism. Those who help build your company, and actually MAKE something, they are not the enemy, they are your colleagues. They are the team members that deserve a quality of life just like the rest of the executives. They don't ask for the biggest home, or the nicest car, but there is a moral contract... a contract to at least not use them, and then throw them away like refuse... ensuring they don't lay awake at night hoping they don't lose their job, their home and their car, lose their children's education or retirement. These guys have a contract with management, one that understands that leaders should have more, earn more, play more.. and they are okay with that. But when homes cost hundreds of thousands, and the average car costs 25k, and college costs 120K now and god knows how much for their kids in the future, they deserve to make enough.
So unions are necessary because without them, management would use and abuse their workers. And even with them this happens. This needs to change! Only then will our economy right itself
I think anyone who belies this is an idiot. At the end of the day, if we keep offshoring our jobs there wont be anyone left who makes any money in this country (other than CEO's and other executives and managers) to actually buy airline tickets, or buy cars, or anything else for that matter.
Even if outsourcing saves money, its a waste. Capitalism is good, very good! but its been perverted. There should be compassion in capitalism. Those who help build your company, and actually MAKE something, they are not the enemy, they are your colleagues. They are the team members that deserve a quality of life just like the rest of the executives. They don't ask for the biggest home, or the nicest car, but there is a moral contract... a contract to at least not use them, and then throw them away like refuse... ensuring they don't lay awake at night hoping they don't lose their job, their home and their car, lose their children's education or retirement. These guys have a contract with management, one that understands that leaders should have more, earn more, play more.. and they are okay with that. But when homes cost hundreds of thousands, and the average car costs 25k, and college costs 120K now and god knows how much for their kids in the future, they deserve to make enough.
So unions are necessary because without them, management would use and abuse their workers. And even with them this happens. This needs to change! Only then will our economy right itself
The unions do not reduce quality, management trying to cut corners does. Whether its lowering a budget so that cheaper components must be used or because less people have to do more peoples work... maybe less rest... you want to tell me that a mechanic will do as good a job when he is dragging ass on hour 15? Or maybe you think its fair to tell people that the company won't pay overtime because its too expensive...but this project MUST be done tomorrow at midnight. So people have to work off the clock to get it done so that management doesn't get upset and fire them for going into overtime?
These employees deserve representation, and jobs should stay in this country. There should be a federal tax on all offshoring of jobs.. that way our own citizens can make enough money to actually survive and thrive and buy what we are selling.
Im happy Boeing got hurt financially. Maybe it will serve as a lesson to Boeing as well as other companies that offshoring of jobs is not the answer. Yes, they need to be competitive.. but lets not race to the bottom!
There are two models in capitalism
1. Cost based
2. Quality based
If everyone is focused on only cost, everyone will undercut eachother and no one makes money, has job security, etc etc.
Look at Audi.. they charge what they charge and they sell their cars. In fact, their sales are up 400 percent in the past few years DURING THE RECESSION!!! why? because quality is important, money is only part of the equation.
If you are one of these people who believe the only way to compete is by undercutting and being cheaper.... god help you and the rest of us whom you employ