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Boeing refuse to play ball as Dutch MPs reopen 2009 crash case involving 737
The Dutch parliament have moved to reopen an inquiry into the 2009 Turkish Airlines crash at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport on February 26, 2009. (www.euronews.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Look, I feel badly for people who died...but the Boeing 737 isn't the problem....it's the training. YES, the MCAS was an issue, and YES it should have been better explained TO the pilots. I have seen the prelimanry reprt on the Ethiopian crash. THEY (pilots) allowed the airplane to overspeed. Pure. Bad. Piloting...in an overspeed situation? (I have many hours on the B-737)...you just don't let that happen.
The most glossed over, down played 'whatever' part of the whole mystery Tim, and little discussed here as well. Lion Air was the first and EA302 was a carbon copy, even after Boeing made their admissions and said, refer to the stab. trim runaway procedures! Bet somewhere in the RED Box items is 'throttles Idle' for nose down situations and HOW does a 'qualified' crew ignore or miss the sounds of a hurricane of 400+ knots in the cockpit? Nose going down, noise going UP and throttles 96%, I'll never get it.
I just don't get it. Why do knowledgeable people continue to try to minimize Boeing's responsibilities in these crashes? The final MCAS design not merely undocumented, it was also a fiasco of failed safety analysis by Boeing that led to its single sensor design.
Third-world airlines are not going to get any better any time soon, including the pilots. So you're really arguing that Boeing should not sell their airplanes to most third-world airlines, and leave that market to Airbus and the rest.
Third-world airlines are not going to get any better any time soon, including the pilots. So you're really arguing that Boeing should not sell their airplanes to most third-world airlines, and leave that market to Airbus and the rest.
A bit of a gaslight to conflate that either of the posts previous to yours offered by well experienced professional pilots claimed any sort of exoneration of Boeing. In fact, TD acknowledged same in his first sentence and I am well and truly on record here that they screwed the pooch.
The unforced and egregious error of both crews was the failure to retard the throttles after the Boeing misfire precipitated the scenarios. The fact remains that MCAS nondisclosure would not negate the training a 737 flight crew would have received on 'runaway stab trim' procedures and in fact, was what Boeing was counting on.
"So you're really arguing that Boeing should not sell their airplanes to most third-world airlines, and leave that market to Airbus and the rest."
Not the case at all and the reality is that Boeing sells airplanes, not flight crew training. Third world airline accident rates are a matter of record so why would the training and crew performance not be circumspect to the same degree as what they were flyin'.
The unforced and egregious error of both crews was the failure to retard the throttles after the Boeing misfire precipitated the scenarios. The fact remains that MCAS nondisclosure would not negate the training a 737 flight crew would have received on 'runaway stab trim' procedures and in fact, was what Boeing was counting on.
"So you're really arguing that Boeing should not sell their airplanes to most third-world airlines, and leave that market to Airbus and the rest."
Not the case at all and the reality is that Boeing sells airplanes, not flight crew training. Third world airline accident rates are a matter of record so why would the training and crew performance not be circumspect to the same degree as what they were flyin'.
I said "minimize", not exonerate. When someone says "...but the Boeing 737 isn't the problem....it's the training.", that is unquestionably minimizing Boeing's responsibility. In fact, trying to ascertain what is *THE* problem is an immediate mistake. There is no single problem that caused the Lion Air crash, and presumably the same will prove to be true for the EA crash as well. The right thing to do is to treat everyone who owns a piece of the accident chain of events as if they were solely responsible. That necessarily includes the pilots and their training, that includes Boeing and their severe errors in MCAS design, that includes Lion Air, that include Xtra Aerospace. It even includes the Indonesian government, because Lion Air should simply be shutdown as a fundamentally unsafe airline.
God I love a good Dutch