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NTSB: Plane aborted landing, hit utility pole
A small private jet carrying a surgeon and members of his clinic staff aborted its landing at a Georgia airport before it hit a 60-foot utility pole and crashed in a flaming wreck, killing five people onboard and injuring two, federal authorities said Thursday. (www.chron.com) Más...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
It might be better to hold off on that kind of speculation. Many other reasons are out there such as an engine problem, flap retraction issue, I just think another pilot should not jump to a fault another pilot without more confirmed evidence
There is Security Video being reviewed. It does show however that a "balked landing" was initiated. I do feel that " Pilot Error" is a great possibility .......unfortunately. The Captain, being the PIC will have to take full responsibility for the outcome. I really do not believe there was any issue with the plane. That aircraft is fully capable of a good climb gradient, even single engine/flap malfunction of which neither, in my opinion was the case, to clear a 60ft. obstruction a1/4 mile past the end the runway. Lets be honest, there were some very serious mistakes/decisions made at the 500 HAA on the final approach. Very very sad......
I still believe it is best to not speculate on human error at this point until the investigation is completed. One does not know who may be reading these posts so I think we should avoid any more distress if possible. One could point to many facts but we were not in the pilot seats. We will all know soon enough. "humans can read equipment cannot".
No one is "speculating" Allen. These are opinions based on what is currently available, and they are opinions only. Not an investigation type.review.....strictly a forum. Even the investigators will have all types of opinions and they will collectively come to one conclusion in the final report.....which will take months to finalize....then guess what? The Lawyers will step in....and it is off to the races, unfortunately. It is bad all the way around, no matter how you slice it. None of us has blamed the PIC......not enough evidence at this point . The NTSB will do their due diligence and try to determine why this happened, and make recommendations to see if this can be avoided from happening again. Problem is, this type of accident has happened before, and it will happen again. Flying is in reality ... 10% skill and 90% judgement......
What is the difference between speculating and basing your opinion, Phil I have just given my opinion and you have given yours, mine will not hurt anyone, yours could, unless of course you have knowledge that friends and relatives are not reading these post. That was my only concern this early.we'll just leave it at that especially sense you did not address my only issue in my last post. I would refer you back to your previous post 2 days ago when you said you were speculating and looking at other reasons. I am not disputing what could have happened I just think it is wrong to start having opinions on our own until we know more, that's all
Allen, check your post with your "speculation" concerning the dump switch......
2 days ago.
Phil it is obvious that I was referencing the difficult of reaching the lift dump switch as well as moving the flap switch to the correct notch. I know this from my familiarization of the 390, and you?
Allen, there is No lift dump switch in the Premier. It is a Speed Break Swith..and it is not difficult to get to,as well as the Flap lever
Phil you are so full of it. I have owned and flown my 1A and Beech calls it a lift dump and so do I. How many hours do you have in 390's. And it is certainly not easy to get to at the rear of the pedestal. That being said it wold appear he never landing and might not have pushed the go-around switch. But. we do not know what was occurring in the cockpit at that moment.Call any beech rep and ask him about the lift dump.
In the original airplane the squat switches had to close to tell the Premier it was on the ground before the lift dump could deploy. But if the pilot bounced the landing, it took time to get the squat switches to close again after the second, or perhaps third touchdown. This all delayed lift dump deployment and runway was racing by before maximum braking became available.
The fix for that was to make the lift dump system independent of the squat switches and make a new control handle on the center pedestal to activate the system. Now, the pilot arms lift dump for takeoff or landing and then moves the handle to activate the system. The lift dump system is now always under the pilot's control, so he can get maximum braking after touchdown or during an aborted takeoff no matter what the squat switches say. Lift dump is locked out during other phases of flight to prevent an unintended deployment.
Read more at http://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-reports/jets/beech-premier-ia-hits-its-stride?page=0,1#lrYsIkRGok8ACH4B.99 CHEW ON THIS PHIL
The fix for that was to make the lift dump system independent of the squat switches and make a new control handle on the center pedestal to activate the system. Now, the pilot arms lift dump for takeoff or landing and then moves the handle to activate the system. The lift dump system is now always under the pilot's control, so he can get maximum braking after touchdown or during an aborted takeoff no matter what the squat switches say. Lift dump is locked out during other phases of flight to prevent an unintended deployment.
Read more at http://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-reports/jets/beech-premier-ia-hits-its-stride?page=0,1#lrYsIkRGok8ACH4B.99 CHEW ON THIS PHIL
Ok Allen, No need to Shout! So .....you claim to be an Owner /Operator? I understand there IS a lift dump system. But what I was stating is that there is a Speed Brake capability on the Premier in which it is used in an inadvertent overspeed condition and is to be retracted prior to landing @50 feet?
That's a trivia question for you. Your turn.
That's a trivia question for you. Your turn.
Ok Phil enough fun for this thread. I will agree that we are both right. It has been fun though
OK Allen, I' m in total agreement with you. It has been interesting and fun. I certainly learned from it from fellow Aviators and non- aviators alike. Preacher has been a really good referee! Thanks Preacher! See everyone in future postings. Blue Skies my Friends!
Phil: Allen is perfectly capable of speaking for himself but just for your information he is a retired ATP Captain and is/was O-O of a premeir.
Preacher, I know he is capable of speaking for himself.....I never questioned that. I think we all have kicked this Lift Dump/Speed Brake business around plenty enough. Opinions and knowledge have been put out there. It has been a rather healthy debate. Communication has been key. That's what's it's all about. And for that, I thank all!
Yeah, I guess the details will all come out as both pilots survived. For whatever reason, according to the NTSB prelim, he aborted the landing. For what reason and at what point, he will have to say.
Absolutely Right Preacher. All, including myself are very saddened by this tragic accident.....what happened and why it happened is a mystery. Lets all prey for the victims and both injured Pilots.