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These millionaires have a suggestion for the FAA: Cancel all private jet flights during the shutdown

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As the longest government shutdown in U.S. history continues, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has ordered flight reductions at 40 major airports, including Atlanta, New York, Boston, and Los Angeles. The move begins with affecting 4% of flights, with plans to ramp up to impact 1 in 10 flights at those airports, disrupting travel plans for thousands of Americans every day. (www.fastcompany.com) More...

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fdb912
Frank Barrett 16
No, no, that's going too far. Instead, just cut off private jet travel for politicians! Then the shutdown would have been fixed within hours.
ThinkingGuy
George Lane 22
"Private jets specifically...make up one out of every six flights handled by the FAA"
“If you need a 10% reduction [in flights], you can get 100% of your reduction from the private planes."

From a standpoint of government efficiency, i.e. serving the most passengers at the least cost to taxpayers, this seems like a rational solution.
6686L
Peter F. Hartmann Esq. 2
interesting logic. So a city bus full of paying passengers should have greater right to go thru a busy intersection than a guy sitting alone in his privately owned auto?
rsFLTRKR999
ROBERT SCHNEIDER 4
6686L
Peter F. Hartmann Esq. -3
I am sure the other legit. aviation operators in here appreciate your well-thought-out post "ya". Unfortunately, my "first language" is American English, (with some limited fluency in German and Russian). You got your name recognition - now, how about helping us out with a little more detail on YOUR aviation background, and how you feel your post "ya" adds to the aviation community.
rsFLTRKR999
By ‘ya’ I mean George’s suggestion (above), might be a way for a functioning society to manage the sudden scarcity of a public resource. (think, “duh”). Maybe your reply to him wasn’t sarcasm. It’s swell you’re an “aviation operator” (pilot?) and speak a bunch of languages. You sound like an arrogant prick, Mr. Esq.
6686L
I see where you are coming from - the idea of in some way interfering with "private jets" pleases you. Understandable - this is an "open" site where anyone can come in to express their annoyance at how the world is treating them. Yeah....right..."aviation enthusiasts"......just what kind of aviation are you and this George "enthusiastic" about? Tell us! And while you are at it, tell us what you "know" about these so called "private" jets? Perhaps if you told us a bit more about how YOU are involved in aviation, we who actually are, might be able to learn from you. For example....you a Part 91 operator? If so, what kind of equipment. You financially well-off enough to hire a seat on a Part 135 operation? Or do you just "fly" ....meaning you ride in BACK of some Part 121 operator's airplane. "Inquiring minds like to know"...!
Budlake
Mike Monk 13
I guess that Mr Payne and his fellow patriotic millionaires do not own their own aircraft. If they did I very much doubt they would be making such recommendations.
As someone has suggested below; if Mr Payne and his fellow cohorts are really concerned about FAA controllers being paid why don't they make a direct contibution themselves?
Nooge
Nooge 7
Sorry the millionaires as well as Kash and his girlfriend can fly commercial who are serving the most passengers at the least inconvenience cost to taxpayers, this seems like a rational solution.
GeorgeSchuster
George Schuster 9
Not a solution to the politician’s problem. Grounding private jets may sound like a great idea, but it doesn’t create the correct amount of public outrage. Commercial air travel has the potential to impact most people. Create outrage so the public presses their elected officials to end the shutdown. Bottom line, a political stunt to get want they want.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 13
Or just cut off the pay to the politicians and freeze all their bank accounts until they work out a deal.
Nooge
Nooge 2
Its only the politician who is not in office problem and the facts are the bottom line

In a September 2013 Fox & Friends phone interview

"If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength."

"when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president."

In an Oct. 7, 2013, interview with then-Fox News host Greta Van Susteren,
"
You have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He has to get (the Speaker of the House) and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal.

"And, unfortunately, he has never been a dealmaker. That wasn't his expertise before he went into politics and it's obviously not his expertise now. But you have to get the people in a room and you have to get a deal."

A few days later, on CNN for an interview with Piers Morgan, repeating that the shutdown meant he "is not leading and not getting people into a room."

Twitter before, during and after the shutdown to voice his opinion, agreeing with users that it would never happen if he were president and that Obama had "failed to lead."
xpilotwon
Robert McGregor 6
If Mr. Payne is including Part 135 charter aircraft in his "private jet" proposal he is affecting people's income that own those businesses. The pilots of those aircraft would also be out of work with such a grounding. I was a Part 135 pilot at wone time and don't think I would have appreciated such a move.
Nooge
Nooge -2
Mr Tarrific is affecting millions of people's income that own businesses

Many dont appreciate it ...
pilotthumper
pilotthumper 10
I hate to say this, as a GA pilot who flys mostly for my own enjoyment, but with the situation at hand they should simply put a stop to all everything that is a non-schedualed or emergency air travel in the US until things are resolved. I know this will not be a popular view but neither is working for free and being overworked for free.
Nooge
Nooge 4
Being unselfish is not popular these days.. self serving is the golden age we live in
6686L
Peter F. Hartmann Esq. 5
"private jets" ? Please, folks - I am not picking on ANYONE. I "get it".

It's the modern era. I am from an earlier generation when the USA was a major industrial power, when "precision of speech" and integrity in communication had value.

People today LIKE to use the term "private" jet. Of course it is, in most cases, utter nonsense - most turbine-powered aircraft are operated under Part 135 (commercial aircraft).....I suspect very VERY few are flown under Part 91. What is the difference? While the standards for us Part 91 private operators are high, those for COMMERCIAL aircraft (meaning those operated for revenue), are higher.

Is it fair, reasonable, or logical to punish those who have the good fortune to be able to fly their own aircraft? What about those who can afford to hire a aircraft, or at least a seat on one?

Different rules about accessibility to the airspace? Here's an anology - a stop sign or stop-light. Should a bus with a much larger number of people on it, who may have paid to get on that bus, have any greater rights to go thru that intersection, than the guy who is sitting in a private car he owns?

Bottom line - be careful when you t hink about who to pick on.....1
PeterHR
Peter Hardley-Nice 4
This uscwhat bus lanes are about ... allowing buses to go places along routes that are not open to privately owned cars, usually to control conjestion.
6686L
Peter F. Hartmann Esq. 3
good analogy - in some cities they do take away public trafffic lanes that are then exclusive to busses. Well....they dont stop the use of the remaining lanes for the private car owner.
BaronG58
BaronG58 10
I too am from a earlier generation and I must ask. "What is your point?"
Nooge
Nooge 3
He is an Esq ...be careful when you think about picking on an attorney

Here's an anology -or if you are in need of precision , here is an analogy

When a school bus stops everyone stops
jgoedker
jgoedker 4
One of the most misleading and inaccurate articles I've seen. I doubt if the information is correct to start with.

First, just because an airplane has jet engines and small doesn't mean it hauling rich jet set passengers. The majority are transporting mangers, engineers, salesman to customers.

They place a much smaller load on the system than a airline aircraft would in that they generally arrive and depart at much smaller airports away from the busy hubs. They do so randomly not in block scheduling (bank) the airlines use which creates the overburdened conditions at major airports.

They generally fly much higher enroute requiring much less attention of controllers. Many times direct.

And they pay their share through very high fuel taxes and landing fees. The passengers pay the taxes, landing fees, airport infrastructure etc.,through ticket prices.

General aviation generates more well paid jobs than the airlines. It gets the passenger(s) much closer to their destination which allows them to visit far more customers per day. It allows the employees to be home after traveling enhancing working conditions and retaining employees. Companies use "private jets" for good reason. They are cost effective and increase productivity of their employees.

The liberal tree huggers will always pull out the photos of private jets to make their point. And I would be the ten wealthy (whomever they are) fly around in one themselves. I'm surprised Flightaware even posted this diatribe.
n555cf
rbt schaffer 1
Especially the jets that fly someone's poodle across country unaccompanied by actual people... That happens you know.... Need to get tootsie from NY to Miami.... Most private jet travel is NOT business and is personal travel by ultra wealthy
ChristopherEliot
Christopher Eliot 1
Your posting is one of the most misleading I've seen. Private/corporate jets pay much less that 1/6 of the cost of air traffic control They are subsidized by commercial travelers.

Takeoff and landing is most of the load on air traffic controllers. Private/corporate jets do 1/6 of that. They should pay 1/6 of the cost.

In many places, including here, they pay no tax on sales or parts and no excise tax. The excise tax on my daughter's ancient subaru is higher than Warren Buffet pays on any of his jets. Don't try to tell me that is fair.
IndieFlyer
Flying Buffalo 0
Having flown on medical “private” jets, propeller, and rotary aircraft I would oppose across the board elimination of these flights.But the other roles cited could as easily fly commercial as private, particularly if only on a temporary basis, i.e. don’t justify throwing the baby out with the bath water on the basis of prejudice. Also, it doesn’t mean that having more money, e.g. paying landing fees and higher fuel taxes, entitles a few to inconvenience the many. Such is the wrong-headedness of the NRX. Democracy, legitimate civilization, is ultimately about the greater good. Otherwise just admit that you don’t favor it, don’t support the Constitution, and would rather have fascism.
Nooge
Nooge -3
Old out of touch Conned-servatives use phrases like tree hugger ...Dr Rick may be able help your children avoid turning in to their parent

Being a liberal or someone who believes in science does not exclude you from flying private

In fact I have flown in the back all of my time in private jets but never to "the island" ...how about you ?

I earned he special privilege except not for times like this

How would you know who who I am because its clear that you only know us as "they "
RexBentley
Rex Bentley 2
Better idea, cancel the gov.
dmanuel
dmanuel 1
Why advocate for more progressive taxes, when you could simply write a check (donate), to the Treasury, today?
IndieFlyer
Flying Buffalo 3
Why doesn’t the moon hit the earth tomorrow? It could if the laws of reality were ignored.
6686L
Peter F. Hartmann Esq. -4
I noted elsewhere the following:
We who own and operate our own aircraft under Part 91 (and have little interest or need to go into the big airline-served airports) are doing just fine - we can go anywhere at our pleasure (so long as it isn't IFR). Thanks to our ADS-B we have no need for the FAA. Same holds true for the rich folk who can afford to hire or at least buy a seat in a 135 operator's aircraft - they, too, can go anywhere they wish (again, so long as it is VFR.

So - who is getting screwed (or at least horribly inconvenienced these days - the mi9ddle class folks who need a ride on a Part 121 operator - they HAVE to have an IFR clearance or they ant go.

So I have to agree with the poster in this "thread" who thinks kt would be appropriate for "them" to put a stop on ALL air travel "until things are resolved". The govt. tried that once as a result of a legit national emergency (9-11-01) By 9-03-01 there was no longer an emergency. In so many areas of human life, those in govt. love to throw their weight around. We don't need to encourage them!
Nooge
Nooge 1
Speaking of the horribly inconvenienced these days its not the millionaire private jet travelers we need to worry about

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/miami-dolphins-owner-under-fire-004000074.html

Speaking of taxpayers buying down their taxes thru campaign finance


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/business/stephen-ross-trump-fundraiser

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