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Rough landing during a hurricane

It was a rough landing during a hurricane on one of the shortest commercial runways in the US. They cancelled over 1000 flight that day, and this probably should have been 1001 ( More...

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Peter Fuller 18
Better reporting, plus photos and interesting comments, on Aviation Herald:
coinflyer 7
This link by Peter Fuller much better. Great picture of strut punched through the wing. They just don't build 'em like they used to back in the day of the DC-3!
matt jensen 5
no one uses slide rules anymore
21voyageur -6
Do u have anything to back up that odd statement?
Charles Fraser 4
I'm guessing what he means by slide rules is that in the past, engineers lacked the computing power we have today, so erred on the side of structural integrity.
godutch 3
You know what he means...quit being an a$$
sparkie624 1
There are electronic Slide Rules... Based on your statement, I seriously doubt you have ever used one!
21voyageur 4
Avherald is top notch and very up to date. Simon is connected across aviation.
Tflys1 11
A 30 second ad to watch a 43 second video of CNN again getting it WRONG
James Simms 8
As mentioned below, looks like the left engine dragged the ground
Terry Dismore 11
I thought this was a good report on the incident from Juan Browne
Jeff Steiner 5
@Blancolirio's Juan Browne is as reliable as always! First place I go anytime I want to learn about something that happened with aviation.
Mike Eppright 5
To me, the video appeared the bird was floating and decision was made to plant it and then corrosion took over.
Highflyer1950 9
CNN still can't get the accident correct. If they only knew how hard it is to tag wing on landing while in a near level pitch attitude, but how much easier it is to punch the gear through the wing and drag the engine nacelle sparking all the way during roll out? My guess the briefing went something like, short runway, standing water so plant it on early and firmly………ooops not that firmly! If I remember correctly, even the stretch 8 if on landing allowed to “bank” more than 5 degrees, at 7 you would tag the inboard engine ( and they were skinny nacelles)?
swyman18 4
Sorry, but I have to say it. If they had already cancelled OVER 1000 flights that day, how would this one have been 1001? It would have been number 1002 at a minimum.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Landing during a tropical storm? In hindsight, maybe the airport management should've closed the airport or at least the air traffic controller should've held up inbounds?
jetjocknj 10
All the airplane knows is wind, rain, and rate of descent. If those are within parameters, you can call the current conditions anything you want even "tropical storm" if you like. But you can still land, just carefully.
James Simms 2
Numerous instances in the Far East of landing or taking off in Tropical Storm conditions. Singapore flight 006 October 2000 comes to mind, but that was more the case of using the wrong runway
sparkie624 5
Doh... Any landing in a Hurricane is a great landing.... Especially if you walk away.
James Simms 6
Flew into SeaTac during a Winter storm one early January 1986 evening returning to Ft. Lewis from Christmas leave. Up/Down, Left/Right; plus some directions not invented or thought of yet..
sparkie624 2
I hear that... Storms aren't my thing to Fly In... In that Sierra, we had one hell of a Tail Wind! - DME showing 454 kts (Before GPS Planes), ATC asked us 3 times to verify A/C Type... Speed Unrealistic! I can only imagine what the wind would have been if we had waited much longer.. LOL
John D 3
I was on a United jet to EWR a few years ago during a Nor'easter. Probably the worst last 20 minutes of a flight I ever experienced. Lots of screaming. I was looking at the woman next to be and we both are like, we'll probably get out of this alive, but....
Jim Newton 2
Reminds me of the infamous “Vomit Comit” route in CO. I was on the same route as UAL 585, though thankfully we did not have a rudder hardover. Landed safely, though some PAX were a little green and vomiting.
Highflyer1950 2
You got me wondering about the Part 121/135 landing field length requirements. If memory serves, landing distance required can be no less than 60% of the runway length available, now add 15% for a wet runway and I suspect this aircraft would have had to have a charted required landing distance of 3,000’ to make it work?
Peter Fuller 4
If the calculated required landing distance didn’t allow a legal landing, I think this Alaska crew wouldn’t have done the approach and landing, but would’ve gone to their alternate. It’s possible that the 5,700’ runway was barely legal, but just because something broke doesn’t mean that a professional crew busted the rules.
Highflyer1950 1
I didn’t say they did, only that their charts had to show the landing distance required as being 3,000’ or less for their weight.
Brian De Jong 2
There’s an opspec that allows us to use 80% of the available runway. This is for planning purposes. Once you are airborne, you may use the whole runway.
Highflyer1950 1
Explain further please. How does an opspec over rule FAA landing field length required?
sparkie624 3
I flew a Beechcraft Sierra (C24R) in 1989 leaving Bahama's... Just for a memory refresher, that was the Day Hugo hit those Islands... Wanted to leave the day before, but had to Replace a Starter that prevented the engine from starting... It was on nice Tail Wind! It was either play with some Tail Winds, or suffer the full brut force of it... Me and my friend elected to get the "H???" out of there! Had a great tail Wind... LOL
godutch 5
Laughing at the obviously WRONG reporting...LOL.
WD Rseven 4
Every landing in a B737 is a rough landing.
Highflyer1950 2
Actually I have been told it’s the easiest plane to fly…… has to be so it can be sold to every airline in the world
Jim Newton 2
For a non-pilot, I would say your probably correct and for a rated pilot, you are definitely correct.
David Beattie 1
I’ve flown every model except the Max. The 800 was my least favorite. Not an easy plane to grease on and has very high ref speeds.
sparkie624 1
Mine by Far is the -200... It was a great airplane, easy to work on! Was cutting edge in its day and the Pratt and Whitney engines could take a Licking and keep on Kicking!
Jim Newton 2
I have to disagree. The timing of your flare IAW the prevailing WX at the time will determine how well you bring the A/C onto the active.
sparkie624 1
I disagree... Depends on the Pilots and the Runway... I have been on some Very Smooth 737 landings. I admit there are more rough than smooth, but there are very talented pilots that can grease them on.
looks like engine contact NOT wing.
Jim Newton 3
It WAS number 1 on the ground, not the wing.
wiztom 2
Juan Brown at blancolirio has the best report on this since he is an American Airlines pilot.
I am no meteorologist, but I was on a planespotting stream at LAX earlier in the day and the rain was getting very unpredictable and coming down hard at times. I drive by John Wayne all the time and I wonder if Harrison Ford would have been able to tell the difference between the runway and taxiway in this tropical storm. I'm sure the pilot has his hands full on that short runway. He probably should have diverted to the much longer runway at Long Beach. Only about a 15 minute drive to Santa Ana.
David Crowne 1
Great outcome for a trunion pin failure


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