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Tragedies and Young Pilots

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Is 17 too young for a pilot to attempt such a flight? On one's own? The answer is an emphatic "yes." With help? Well, getting help makes such attempts dubious to begin with. (www.flyingmag.com) Más...

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bbabis
bbabis 11
Why do people climb mountains? I believe that they knew the risks involved with the flight. It shouldn't be against the law to try.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 -4
Does "knowing the risks" entitle them to put others at risk, or to burden rescue and recovery personnel with the task of dealing with the aftermath of their failure?
btweston
btweston 3
I profoundly disagree with that line of thinking. Do you receive lectures on health care costs when you ask for cheese on your burger?
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
No, but my cheeseburgers have never been known to fall out of the sky, endangering people on the ground, either. What I said, and which you ignore, is "put OTHERS at risk".
bbabis
bbabis 4
You know the risks of getting out of bed in the morning. I'll bet you still get out and put others at risk of your possible failings.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 -1
Quite true, but there are common, everyday risks, and there are unusual, out of the ordinary risks. Getting out of bed in the morning does not constitute the latter, while circumnavigating the globe in a small plane does.
zennermd
zennermd 4
Should Charles Lindbergh not have tried to cross the Atlantic? What about the Wright brothers? By your logic, these activities are far too risky and should not have been done. These are extreme examples but gets the point across. Remember, great things do not come without great risk, who knows what this person could have become...
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
And whom did they put at risk but themselves? I am not against personal risk, if that's what you want to do. I am, however, against personal risk that endangers others, whom have not had the chance to make that choice for themselves. I'm also against personal risk wherein the failure of the risk taker results in a financial burden to the general public. As an extreme example, why should anyone have to deal with your corpse coming through their windshield because you decided to take a personal risk and climb a skyscraper and fell? Why should the public have to foot the bill for the resulting cleanup? As I said, an extreme example, but we seem to have become a world populated by people who think only of themselves and what they want to do, without giving any, or at most minimal, consideration towards how their actions affect others. I spent 14 years as an EMT, cleaning up the results of various fools and risk takers. You (a figurative "you", not you personally) want to take an unusual risk? Ride along with an ambulance crew for a few weeks and see the aftermath of other risk takers who have failed first.
bbabis
bbabis 2
Thank you for your service as an EMT Bernie. I'm sure that your feelings are profound and I respect them. Who I believe you are describing though are STUPID IDIOTS. These are people who willingly risk their and other's lives to be one car further up the exit ramp or one up at the next traffic light. They will also risk running over small children in a parking lot racing to be one space closer to the front door. Now sane people, those who carefully weigh the risk vs reward equation and choose to push the boundaries, are a benefit to all of us. We cannot revel in their victories without also supporting, consoling, or mourning their failures. I put the Sulemans in the later group.
zennermd
zennermd 1
You do know you just completely negated your first comment to Bill right? No one would have to go looking for the kid, just like no one would have to go looking for Lindbergh if he would have put it in the ocean, but people would have, also accepting the risk involved. You are also confusing adrenaline junkies and thrill seekers with risk takers, depending on the context, like this one, they mean completely different things.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
In what way does my comment above negate my first comment to Bill? I'm not seeing it, so please explain it from your perspective.
bbabis
bbabis 4
So, all of us should only aspire to be common everyday people? Clearly there is a line somewhere around foolhardy but this flight did not cross it. Hindsight may show a bad decision was made, as happens in most all accidents, but I still commend the effort.
flyingj481
flyingj481 1
It's a hard line to hold. Does this mean that every time a flight instructor goes up with a new pilot, that they are putting them in undue risk? Isn't the spirit of adventure and attempting new goals, while understanding and accepting a calculated risk what has driven aviation since the beginning?

Many tragedies happen in any activity, why should this one cause a change in aviation? Look back at Jessica Dubroff, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Dubroff, which did change the age limit for a pilots license. Should one persons poor planning, or misjudgment of risk, or just plain bad luck drive and entire populations rights or abilities?

Not trying to troll, I just don't believe that this incident is an indication of how young is too young.
Colgor8
Jhon Lewis 1
I have friends who are 15 and are able to fly amazingly well with experienced help. There have been many stories of young pilots being able to pull off major feats. Honestly if you can drive alone by 17 across crazy roads you should be able to fly in crazy places(with help if needed).Also with this airline pilot shortage coming up are we willing to take the chance of backing the age up?All of the situations had a experienced pilot with a yoke in front of them to help out when needed.Why didn't they come into action when they saw that the problem was near, or say "my controls" when they saw the situation was desperate. Honestly they were really the ones who crashed the plane, now you could say that when someone crashes with a learners permit in a car and that it being the fault of the driver is stupid because they were not in control, well in a plane there are two yokes, one for the young one, one for the experienced one. The second he sees something wrong he can easily take control of his yoke and try and fix the situation.

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